a different style truck

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
What's everybodies opinion on the "CrewChief", made by-yes, I'm gonna mention that name-Alumi-bunk. 2001 FL80 Crewchief, 96" sleeper with 22 foot box. Now, for those of you that don't know, the crewchief is like a small motorhome-or atleast this one I'm talking about is. The truck has a full bathroom-shower, toilet, sink.

***The bed is over the drivers area though-which makes it more ideal for a solo driver like myself-

like I said, the truck has a full bathroom sported in it's 96" sleeper.

6spd. Eaton-not sure of engine though.

Talk to me though...a 30/70 split for this truck good?
I'm thinkin' yes.

What's everybodies opinion on all this?

Thanks Triple B
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>What's everybodies opinion on the "CrewChief",

Hi,

We have a CrewChief sleeper (110") and love it. We have shower, hot water etc... We also designed our own truck so the water is stored IN the sleeper to avoid freezing. We have seen a few of their designs that had the water systems on the outside of the sleeper below in belly boxes. We are originally from south of Buffalo, NY and it is part of our lifestyle to prepare for cold weather. So, outside water supplies are not good in our opinion. We also have the rv set up for electric and sewer so we are able to park in rv parks...came in real handy while in Las Vegas. If you want to talk more about it give me an email and I will give you our telephone number. FYI, the CrewChief sleeper seems to use a better grade of carpet and other amenities than the alumibunk. In addition, I think they are a little more expensive too.

mcbride-
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Hi Mcbride, that's good to hear. This truck is a 2001 FL80 Crewchief with approx. 67K miles on it. I'm told the truck sports a 96" sleeper with a full bathroom-shower & toilet-and a bed over the cab. A 22 Foot cargo box, tag axle, & lift gate are on it as well. 6 speed Eaton Trans. in it I'm pretty sure.

I'm don't know much about this truck really.

I'm curious as to the actual potential interior layout of it.
Mcbride, indulge me here, but if the truck has a 96" sleeper on it, but the bed area is over the cab-lets say it's got a 54" bed over the cab, then that 96" is severely diminished, I'm imagining a very small area-of about 3-4 feet for a rest room & kitchen area?
The owner that has the truck says it's geared towards a solo driver really, esp. with the bed being over the cab.
I'm figuring they measure the sleeper on these from the nose of the attic over the cab? or no?
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
> I'm told the
>truck sports a 96" sleeper with a full bathroom-shower &
>toilet-and a bed over the cab. A 22 Foot cargo box, tag
>axle, & lift gate are on it as well. 6 speed Eaton Trans. in
>it I'm pretty sure.

I think we have seen this truck at a truck show. If I am not mistaken it has a full shower type stall in it with a separate toilet stall. AND, if it is this truck it has outside water system on it. It will also have a small dinette area that will fold down for maybe one person with the actual sleep area over the cab. I think the truck was out west last we heard Oregon maybe.... Some friends of ours looked at it if this is the same truck. It may even have had an outside door on it. ie on the sleeper itself.

>I'm curious as to the actual potential interior layout of
>it.

The way I remember it, if this is the same truck, was you walked into it and either the toilet room or shower room was to the left and straight ahead was the small dinette and the kitchen type area was also in the back with the other room holding either the toilet or the shower on the right. It was not what we would have wanted because we are a team and with the sleeping area where it is over the cab...(DOT supposedly says no sleeping up there while going down the road) and it was narrow. Our sleeper is a box type that goes the full width of our box I am not sure how much more room that gives you...maybe 8 inchs or so. In addition, our shower and toilet are combined in one room. I think our sleeper used to be on one of alumibunks/crewchiefs web pages. As I recall, they made two trucks similar to the one you are lookng at, (if this isn't one of them already,) for the show that year because we had ours made in 2000 too with a 2001 truck.

>Mcbride, indulge me here, but if the truck has a 96" sleeper
>on it, but the bed area is over the cab-lets say it's got a
>54" bed over the cab, then that 96" is severely diminished,
>I'm imagining a very small area-of about 3-4 feet for a rest
>room & kitchen area?

Right, as I recall truck was rather cramped and had little or no windows but it would be okay for a solo person. Well, I guess cramped is really the right word more like full as the walkway area was limited if you can understand what I am saying.

>The owner that has the truck says it's geared towards a solo
>driver really, esp. with the bed being over the cab.
>I'm figuring they measure the sleeper on these from the nose
>of the attic over the cab? or no?

No, that is not way I take it. I take it the sleeper is measured from the boot/walkway area back.

Like I said before, we designed our sleeper based on what we wanted...larger frig, enclosed water system...etc. There are a few trucks similar to ours we know, because some people saw ours and had sleepers made like it or similar to it.

Really, if you want to chat in person about it, I will email you our telephone number. Also will give you the name of the couple that looked at before if this is the same truck that they looked at. They eventually had one built too! LOL Once you see a truck with all this stuff in it, it can be hard to look at other ones with out it!

-mcbride
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
alot of drivers may be interested in this setup. What do they cost new? We like the shower and bathroom in ours and it could help the fleet owners in being able to retain or recruit drivers. We wouldn't run a truck without it now. We have gotten way too spoiled I think.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Dave, I don't consider your enjoyment of your creature comforts on the road as spoiled. The more comfortable I am, the longer I'll want to stay out on the road. More road time = more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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Of all the things I've lost in my life, I think I miss my mind the most!!
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
McBride- Where south of Buffalo are you originally from? I live in Silver Creek, NY. Small world :)
I always wondered on trucks with showers/running water what would keep the supply and drain tanks from turning into chunks of ice if left sitting below freezing for a few days, and how could you defrost a tank of poopy water? I'll take it the system has to be maintained at home or at an RV facility. (Duh.) Is this something along the lines of only being worth it if the truck is your home? It just sounds like a pain with all the other things on a truck one needs to look after. It it easy or hard, just curious??
-Weave-
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
Weave wrote...


>and how could you defrost a tank of poopy water?



EWWWWWWW!!!!!


Sorry, just had a visual.. LOL....




Hey BigBusBob, here's a link to their site, they're mostly sold as a 5th wheel hauler apparently, then some people convert them to straight trucks. The one here looks a little bigger than 96 inches, but it at least would give you an idea.. interiors look very comfy, if they follow this style..

[url]http://www.crewchief.com/crewchief.html[/url]


Dreamer
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Wow, thanks everybody for responding...honestly I thought this was kind of an unusual set-up, however it seems like it's a rather hot idea. I'm not planning on buying it, an owner has this kind of truck & has offered me a driving position in it as a solo driver-therefore I'd be the only one in the truck-which would be fine by me.

The issue of the water lines does have me concerned though, as what good would a nice shower be if the lines are frozen solid.

Mcbride, you're runnin' a 110 inch sleeper with what size box? The truck I'm talkin' about has a 96" sleeper with a 22 foot box. I saw one on EO's truck photo's, I really had to sift through them to find one. The truck pictured on EO has a cargo box & crewchief sleeper & is shown at M.A.T.S. (Mid-America Truck Show-in Kentucky). I wish I could get that photo over to the message board somehow. Mcbride, what is the overall height though with qualcomm & all that? How is it to drive? This truck is an FL80, is that what you guys have? How does it handle in relation to other expediter straight trucks you may have driven? Thanks, Bob
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Dreamer, click on that link of yours, then click on Race Teams at the bottom, then click Floorplans at the bottom, then click Aero-Condo Chief...

that floor plan shows a 96" sleeper.

The plan does not show a bed above the cab, so I'm thinkin' what may be is that there's a shower & bathroom across the whole back wall & then they put something else in place of the couch if the truck has the bed above the cab.

Confused yet? Smile!

By the way, if you look at the pics on that immediate link it shows a sofa & much more behind it, now a typical sofa is about 6 feet, so 96" would only be about 2 feet behind that-if the 96" is measured from the back wall of the cab. Therefore, in conclusion, 96" would be to the microwave area on the photo on the right of your link.
Talk to me, your opinion?
Shoot, thats a good amount of space for a solo driver if you ask me...& there's a 22 foot box behind all that??? if this is the case then color me gone-even for 30 percent.
Maybe I'm gonna have to sell all my Flying J shower coupons? Smile!

In response to RichM's reply, I've been driving busses for awhile now & have had the joy of spending 90 straight nites in 90 different hotel/motel rooms-I've actually got some hotel/motel chain's room layouts memorized. Typical Spring/Summer I see about 200 to 250 hotel/motel rooms, so a truck cab or bus couch isn't all that bad to me. Pilot's & J's are nice places usually, however-wouldn't it be nice to take a shower in the comfort of your own ride? no need to wonder about that lock on the bathroom door anymore-no more spooky characters in hallways, no more mini-showers in the truckstop's restroom sink.
Truthfully, I'm tired of hotel rooms, I've been in the worst & some of the better ones too. Run the numbers, average room costs 30 to 50 plus a nite...which I rarely pay for in bus work, but it's the thought of it. I have to park, check in, go find room-that all takes time-time is money-Time is Rest too!
Let's say you get a room 2 times a week at a mear 30 bucks a nite-thats 60 bucks a week-then times 4 weeks in a month-thats over 320 bucks(after hotel taxes). Now if you got 2 motel rooms a week at 30 bucks a pop-just for 9 months, thats about $3,000.00 a year.
That sure would be nice to have come time for Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries, the holidays, vacations. I'm sure that's tax deductable, but-why go thru the hassle-if you're on the road to make money, make it! Make it in style, but more importantly make money happy & comfortable.
I've been in a handful of busses with all this in them & what a difference it makes! With all this in a bus/truck-you'll find you'll save 45 minutes atleast-all you do is park & go behind the drivers seat-it's all right there...the bathroom, dinner, a shower, a movie, and you can stop in any shopping center or truckstop or basically where ever you want & have all that-in all temperatures & weather, without leaving the cab!
Think about that the next time you've just ran a hard 8 or 10 plus hours & gone & taken a nice hot shower & then you're lugging your gear thru the truckstop & you get to the door & it's pouring out, or it's 20 degrees out-or worse, it's 92 out with 98 percent humidity. That's my 2 cents! Smile!
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
My 2 cents, there is nothing wrong with a shower at a decent Pilot or Flying J, all those bells and whistles cost $, I would rather have the money in my checking account intead of Aluma Bunks account. Also most motel rooms beat the heck out of a truck sleeper and you can buy a lot of rooms for what these Aluma Bunk setups costs.
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
One very casual observation I have made- It looks to me that many of the RV maintenance facilities, regardless of location, are not open during winter months Dec-Mar. If the truck is "Home," and you have no land based home to maintain your fresh water/sewage supply, what good does having the system do during those months unless you know a year round place to deal with it? I can't see that a fully loaded expediter D unit is going to go over well at a campground. It's a commercial freight truck, not the family tourer.
Another question. I think water weighs about 8 lbs/gallon. How much supply water do these RV based systems hold, how much additional weight is there, and how often does it have to be changed out? I know for a fact these cannot be a simple matter of "I can take a shower any time I want."
Another one- chemical warfare. As these systems must get warm and or hot in the summer, does bacteria become a concern in the water system? The water sitting in the storage tank I would not trust as potable. If at RV facility, it's only as good as what is put into it.
I'm not sure, but I do believe that one pays for use of RV water and sewage changeout facilities.
When I get free showers with 50 gal of fuel just about everywhere I doubt it's worth it. I wouldn't want a 400lb poop tank to clean out, a supply tank with unpotable water, little water pressure, freezability, lack of easy care, cost: initial, use, and maintenance, and adding to that the time it takes one to deal with all the above.
I just don't know? I'm rethinking.. even if the truck were my home, would all of this be worth it for a shower and toilet?
-Weave-
 

teacel

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Is it that I'm old fashion or is the expediting world changing?
Na!!! That’s not it!!! This new breed of drivers (Not all new drivers) wants all the worldly comforts, then be the first ones to whine and cry about not making enough money. I not only tend to agree with Weave but I know as a company owner myself, To hire an IC with all this flash and comfort, just isn't a good company choice. WHY!!! How about you as a company have a hot load with Joe RV truck being the only one in the area for miles and he is out of service to go visit Mother Nature. Don't get me wrong please I love to play too, But when it's time to work, they just don't mix. Take the little duce, that truck was at the shows more than out on the road making the company it was leased to money.

BUT!!! If this is your choice then why not make the best of it and go all out. This new bus/truck could be the cats @!%& for an expediter. Just covert this into your new home, YA! HOME! Because when your done paying this bill you wouldn't be able to own a house, unless you have some very deep pockets. LOL!!!
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Hopefully I can give a little insight to the RV/expediter. Tony is right in the fact some get way over there heads in truck costs and payments. We bought a used (repo) truck for $50,000 and have no payments. The first owner thought he was Dale Earnhardt Jr. and went bankrupt after 3 months. Truck had a little over 49,000 miles when we bought it from the bank. The original cost was $124,000 They don't take long to crash in value. I did have to make a few changes, and those being a change of the frieght box and adding landing gear. Took box off our freightliner and put on current truck as the original one was not high enough or tow motor worthy.
Also, as far as septic and water, every flying J has rv dumps and water which are free. Make sure your water tanks are large enough that when you fill in the winter it will carry you for a while as alot of places shut their water off in the winter. Also alot of rest areas have dumps as well. We have a directory for that. Our hot and cold water tanks are under the bunk so they don't freeze. Never have them outside. We live in FL so when we shut down you wouldn't worry about it freezing. If you shut down up north, the hot water tank will keep everything from freezing and won't run the batteries down or you can elect to use shore power and set the interior for 40 degree of heat, or open the drain valves and drain the water. Much easier than all the hassles of truckstop showers ect. Usually fill water tanks in the south at the same time we fuel. Same application for septic dumping. We have a ICT sleeper which you could probably see at the truckshow in KY. One other advantage is that when the chassis is worn out we can pull the sleeper off and mount it on a new chassis. Sleeper structure ect is warrantied for 10 years. Last estimate was $5,000 to move sleeper, generator, landing gear and box to new chassis. That included new u bolts for box and all electric and hose hook ups. Ours is a 125" which is real simular to the 132" that they will probably show. ARI and double eagle have nice set-ups as well.
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Howdy all,

Well here is some info on our truck and the way we use it and how much extra it cost for us to have a shower.

We have:
2001 Freightliner 106 with Detroit 50 series
Allison full auto-6 speed heavy duty trans
Truck weighs 26,000# unloaded
Truck has an 4 wheel pusher axle
Truck has an aux gen (which I would not recommend)
Truck has complete rv sewage system with holding tanks
Truck has roof top air for home/camping hook up
Sleeper has fold down pillow top couch/bed, large frig, microwave, tv, toaster oven, sink and bathroom with toilet and shower.
Truck measures 40'6" and has flush mount barn doors and bumper to keep us as close to 40' as possible.

As far as the particular mechanics of how things work:

3000 invert/convert
Battery system set up with A/B isolation switch
Water is 60 gallons stored under couch/bed with the pump
Hot water tank is under sink in kitchen/galley area
Water drains into holding tanks in belly box below bathroom.
We use rv anti freeze in winter to keep this waste water unfrozen.
Our water does not freeze because it is stored in the sleeper...except when we were in Ontario and the temp was -25 and the water really didn't freeze...line to shower did.
The truck has full electric,cable, telephone hookups on the outside of sleeper.
Bathroom is a combo unit with toilet and shower in one room which measures 31 1/2" x 42 1/2".
We have large closet and cabinets all around inside of sleeper for storage.

As far as using it:

We were out 300 days last year and 330 the year before.
Shower-there is NOTHNG better than being able to shower at differant times, no lines, no waiting, and there is little to no hassle to dump at any flying J or in the south rest areas. We fill up with water everywhere even in the winter...
We eat 90% of our meals, (if not more), in our truck because we can cook in it. Spouse has this grill/crock pot/baker thingy that can do just about anything. Oh, and the camping thing...we only "camp" when we are going to stay somewhere for a day or two like Las Vegas. You can pull our truck right into a spot made for the large bus type motor homes. We have "camped" in Las Vegas at Circus Circus camp ground for $20.00 per night and this included electric/sewer. Also "camped" at a couple of State Parks for about $15.00 per night again with water/sewer. In addition, we "camp" at relatives houses just by hooking up to their electric.

As for the shower, I would go without pretty much everything else for the shower alone!

Rich, shower/bathroom including water system cost an extra $2000 and it was worth every penny. LOL We stay in no hotels/motels, which is fine with me. Paying $50.00 or more for a bed and shower for one night is not worth it to me...I am too cheap. LOL As far as eating out, that really makes me cringe...cheap again, I would rather eat in the truck. Spouse has grill set up in belly box and makes steaks etc all year round... I think our eating costs our considerably lower by eating in the truck and supposedly we can eat healthier.

As far as it being a CrewChief, we saw the race car toters and called up to CrewChief and asked if we couldn't just have one of those type "things" made for an expediter ie.,with out the fifth wheel and door...they said yes so that is how we found out we could even get a sleeper made. Actually, we only wanted a sink...and it grew from there!

As far as the engine etc, we have been blessed. No problems almost 500,000 on it. Spouse can be down right fanatical about maintaining it though...

Oh my, so sorry, look how I have wandered


mcbride-
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
McBride-- if you get a chance sometime, could you post a picture of your truck? It sounds really cool, and it is obviously something for the "life on road" style of expediter, a lot of people are getting into that. Don't be surprised if your Detroit S50 goes past a million before needing any serious attention :)
-Weave-
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>McBride-- if you get a chance sometime, could you post a
>picture of your truck?

Hey weave,

I found a photo of the outside of it on expresstrucking.com.

Hopefully, I attached it here. LOL

mcbride-

Apparently I am not doing this correcty.
 

RobA

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Hey: Wait a minute !

>
>Talk to me though...a 30/70 split for this truck good?
>I'm thinkin' yes.
>



Has anyone answered Triple B's actual question?
I don't think he's gonna to buy it, but drive it.
Is that 30 to the driver and 70 to the owner BBB?
That sounds a little unusual to me.
Nice truck though.
 
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