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cheri1122

cheri1122

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Brisco said:
Sorry to bust your Bubble there sweetcheeks..............but it is only Trolling if the masses were possibly offended by what is said..........

There is LESS than a Handful here that believes Trayvon Martin was an actual "Victim".....and that George is Guilty of Murder.

So....again.......try another comeback over this "looking to be / get offended over" agenda you have against just about everything I post.

(Really comical how every anti-Brisco post you make is "LIked" by the same 1 or 2 Followers you have.....and the same how you "Like" their anti-Brisco posts too. Kinda like the little Clique of Snots that hung together in High School that don't realize how despised / annoying they truly are)

Now........Back on Topic..................OK..........................:p
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1) It matters not how many were or weren't offended, it's trolling if the intent was to offend.
2) Neither of the two victims you referred to as 'animals' were ever found guilty of any crime - and even had they been, their "crimes" in no way merits the description. Had they been sadistic child killers, the overly emotional appellation would be understandable, but under the circs, it's pure trolling.
3) My posts are not 'anti Brisco', they're 'anti what Brisco said'. Big difference. Believe it or not, I like having you here - it beats the snot out of boring chatter, anyday. You're welcome.
4) I am pleased that the people who generally 'like' my posts are those who have [and use!] more intelligence & common sense than many. I have little tolerance for morons, & I am proud to call them friends. I'm sorry if you always eat lunch alone, but that's your choice.
5) Don't call me 'sweetcheeks' - I don't like you that much.
 
Brisco

Brisco

Expert Expediter
cheri1122 said:
3) My posts are not 'anti Brisco', they're 'anti what Brisco said'. Big difference. Believe it or not, I like having you here - it beats the snot out of boring chatter, anyday. You're welcome.

5) Don't call me 'sweetcheeks' - I don't like you that much.
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Cool.................

And Yes..........I DID have to look that word up that you pointed out in an earlier post.......thus the sweetcheek remark...........:confused:


:) :) :)
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Brisco said:
Cool.................

And Yes..........I DID have to look that word up that you pointed out in an earlier post.......thus the sweetcheek remark...........:confused:

:) :) :)
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Hey your still in the game....she said not THAT much...LOL.....just a little much!!!
 
RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
A entirely fascinating look - in the form of a 45 minute documentary/news "special investigation" by Australian Broadcasting Company and The Australian newspaper - into how the (so-called) "most moral army in the world" conducts itself with respect to Palestinian children and minors.

It airs as part of the ABC Four Corners program, which claims that it "is Australia's premier television current affairs program."

The entire video of the program can be viewed at the link at the bottom of this post (some emphasis below mine)

Stone Cold Justice

By John Lyons, Janine Cohen and Sylvie Le Clezio
Updated February 18, 2014 11:49:00

A SPECIAL FOUR CORNERS / THE AUSTRALIAN NEWSPAPER INVESTIGATION

Monday 10 February 2014

The Israeli army is both respected and feared as a fighting force. But now the country's military is facing a backlash at home and abroad for its treatment of children in the West Bank, occupied territory.

Coming up, a joint investigation by Four Corners and The Australian newspaper reveals evidence that shows the army is targeting Palestinian boys for arrest and detention. Reporter John Lyons travels to the West Bank to hear the story of children who claim they have been taken into custody, ruthlessly questioned and then allegedly forced to sign confessions before being taken to court for sentencing.

He meets Australian lawyer Gerard Horton, who's trying to help the boys who are arrested, and talks to senior Israeli officials to examine what's driving the army's strategy.

The program focuses on the stories of three boys. In two cases the army came for the children in the middle of the night, before taking them to unknown locations where they are questioned. A mother of one of the boys described the scene:

"Every soldier stood at the door of a room. I was telling him 'What do you want with him?' He said 'Shut up woman.' And then they started hitting him and pulling him out of bed."

"They started kicking me with their boots in my stomach, slaps on my face. They pulled me up by my t-shirt and took me out of bed." Arrested boy

Is this, as many Israelis suggest, simply part of the drive to maintain security? Or is it, as Palestinians claim, part of a much wider plan to make life in the West Bank intolerable for them?

"I think that they want to kick us out of here and drive us away because they don't want Arabs in this area."

It's a claim that's dismissed out of hand by Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

"Let me say this very clearly. There is no such policy. A policy to create fear? There is no such thing. The only policy is to maintain law and order, that's all. If there's no violence, there's no law enforcement." Yigal Palmor

The United Nations children's agency (UNICEF) has been investigating these claims and last year released a scathing report finding that "children have been threatened with death, physical violence, solitary confinement and sexual assault."

As Four Corners discovered, though, Palestinian children have more to fear than the Israeli army. Reporter John Lyons shows clear evidence that Israeli settlers in the West Bank regularly attack Palestinian school children, knowing the authorities will not intervene. He also discovers there are two legal systems operating. One for Israeli children and one for young Palestinians. It's an impossible situation that may provide temporary security for Israel, but in the long term may well breed a new generation of Palestinians prepared to do anything to gain retribution.

STONE COLD JUSTICE, reported by John Lyons and presented by Kerry O'Brien, goes to air on Monday 10th February at 8.30pm on ABC1. It is replayed on Tuesday 11th February at 11.35pm. It can also be seen on ABC News 24 on Saturday at 8.00pm, ABC iview and at abc.net.au/4corners.
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Stone Cold Justice - Four Corners
 
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RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Oh yeah ... almost forgot ... here's Muffy's standard response: the response from the fanatical Zionist whackjobs at CAMERA, where Israel can never do any wrong and all the world are anti-semities.

I'll provide the shortened condensed version, along with a link:

"... simply fictitious ... contravention of journalistic codes of ethics ... never made these claims in court ... he never raised any allegations ... fictitious, blatant and malicious ... deliberately painting a false picture ... travelling the world spreading ignorance, propaganda and lies ... interested party ... vocal critic ... not going to do that because it’s not in their interest ... political, anti-Israel, anti-IDF motive ..."

Looks like the zio-CAMERA-bots inadvertently left the following out, so I'll toss it in - just in interest of being complete:

... leftists ... anti-semites ... Nazis ... 1933 ... Munich ... Hitlerian ... modern Holocaust ...

CAMERA: Senior IDF Official Slams Australian Report on Palestinian Minors
 
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RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
muttly said:
Four Corners cuts corners.

CAMERA: UPDATED: False Charge of 'Palestinian Kids in Cages' Lives On in Australian Documentary
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Lotsa hasbarat "word salad" there to obfuscate the issue and render a false impression ... but that's what hasbarats do ...

I already read this pile of tripe last night so I'm prepared ... ;)

Real easy to cut to the chase on this one ... using the words from the CAMERA piece itself:

Clarification by the Public Defender's Office

Dr. Yoav Sapir, of the Public Defender’s Office, who wrote about the practice in the first place, responded to CAMERA's query about the veracity of the Post allegations regarding such a practice being applied specifically to Palestinian children
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... To the best of our knowledge, the prisoners held under the conditions described in the report were not necessarily minors and not necessarily Palestinians. ...​
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Now, contrast that statement with the following statement which Sapir could have used, if CAMERA's assertion (that the charges were false) were actually true:

... To the best of our knowledge, the prisoners held under the conditions described in the report were not minors and not Palestinians. ...

Big difference ...

Further:

In communication with CAMERA, the Jerusalem Post has maintained that Palestinian children were among those detainees who had been held outdoors during the months the practice was in place. Therefore, there were no plans to correct the story or issue a clarification.

UPDATE, Feb. 12: The Jerusalem Post responds:

... NGO The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel continues to stand by its claim that Palestinian children were subject to the policy.

There are no parties, including the Israel Prisons Service (IPS), that categorically deny this. Many officials say that there were no Palestinian detainees during a particular episode investigated by the Public Defender, but off-the-record, some of these officials acknowledge there were probably Palestinians involved during the months that the practice went on.
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#morehasbarafail​
 
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RLENT

RLENT

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If the only material issue you have to dispute is whether something was appropriately characterized as "new" or not, and when you can only offer an "unnamed (IDF) officical" to comment publicly, then you're in a real world of hurt ...

Jewish Australian leaders slam documentary about alleged Israeli abuse of Palestinian children

'Stone Cold Justice' was broadcast by flagship Australian journalism program and purported to show 'new' IDF policy of targeting kids in the West Bank.

By Dan Goldberg | Feb. 17, 2014 | 10:01 PM

SYDNEY – Jewish leaders in Australia have launched a blistering attack on a “quasi-documentary” they claim was a “blanket demonization” of Israel “laced with sensationalism, inadequate skepticism and fact-checking.”

The backlash followed the broadcast on February 10 of “Stone Cold Justice,” a joint investigation into the justice system for Palestinian children in the West Bank by The Australian daily and “Four Corners,” the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s flagship investigative journalism program.

The documentary alleged that Israel has a “new policy” of targeting Palestinian children for physical abuse, and that Palestinian kids are forced into false confessions.

The countercampaign included a call by the Zionist Federation of Australia to “set the record straight … for the sake of balance, reason and so the deaths of countless Israeli terror victims is not in vain.”

However, Michelle Gunn, editor of The Weekend Australian, defended reports in the newspaper by John Lyons, who also presented the documentary. “The Weekend Australian stands by the stories written by our Middle East correspondent John Lyons on the treatment of Palestinian youth,” she told Haaretz.

“His investigation of the issue was both exhaustive and meticulous, and we note that no complaint or challenge has been issued by the Israeli government or the Israel Defense Forces.”

Sue Spencer, the executive producer of ABC’s “Four Corners,” told Haaretz: “‘Four Corners’ absolutely stands by its story.”

Their comments came as an article was published Sunday by the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), quoting an unnamed IDF official who branded the documentary “simply fictitious.”

Among a slew of rebuttals, the IDF official debunked the allegations of torture, and branded Lyons’ portrayal of the court system as “fictitious, blatant and malicious.”

Israel’s main advocate in the documentary, Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor, rejected the allegations of a policy of fear conducted by the IDF. “The only policy is to maintain law and order, that’s all,” he said. “If there’s no violence, there’s no law enforcement.”

But Palmor admitted that a UNICEF report last year detailing human rights abuses was “intolerable.”

Leaders from major Jewish organizations this week stopped short of confirming whether they would submit a formal complaint to the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper or the public-funded broadcaster. [rlent: wonder why that is ? ... maybe they are smart enough to know that more scrutiny is not in the best interests of the narrative they wish to present]

Last Friday, The Australian published a rebuttal by Dr. Colin Rubenstein, executive director of the Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council, who argued that the documentary “recycled uncorroborated allegations by arrested Palestinian minors and then wove a conspiracy theory based on them.

“Indefensibly, the story was repeatedly promoted as providing evidence that Israel has a ‘new policy’ of ‘targeting Palestinian children’,” he added. “No evidence was provided for this apart from an unsubstantiated claim by radical Israeli activist and lawyer Gabi Lasky.”

Mark Leibler, AIJAC’s national chairman, branded the broadcast a “blanket demonization” of Israel. “Most tellingly, the relentless incitement in Palestinian society … was completely unmentioned.”

Larry Stillman, from the left-wing Australian Jewish Democratic Society, slammed the response by local Jewish leaders.

“Anything to do with the occupation is justified [by them] in the interest of Israeli destiny, existential threats and historical rights,” he said.

Liberal Zionists “appear very reluctant” to comment publicly, Stillman added, for fear of being “picked on” as “fellow travelers with the so-called left” or because they’ll receive the “wrath of the Israeli right and the Foreign Ministry.”

Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr – who incensed Jewish leaders last year by branding all Israeli settlements “illegal” – also weighed in.

“When I was foreign minister, AIJAC directed a furious effort at trying to block even routine criticism of settlements, as if this were more vital than advocating a two-state solution or opposing boycotts of Israel,” Carr wrote in The Australian.

“Settlers themselves shatter all sympathy, as on the ABC’s ‘Four Corners’ on Monday, when [well-known settler] Daniella Weiss stated they deliberately had occupied land to block the creation of a Palestinian state because ‘this land was promised to the Jewish nation by God.’” [rlent: Daniella Weiss is a deranged messianic whackjob ... I've got some really choice footage of her that I will share at some point]

Carr, a cofounder of the Labor Friends of Israel group in the 1970s, offered this advice to Zionists in Australia: “Concede that the settlement mission is controversial within Israel. Point out many Israelis are opposed to the settler vision of a greater Israel indefinitely governing a majority Arab population. Give up any argument that settlements are legal under international law and move on to more fruitful territory.”

Jewish leaders last year blasted Carr’s “contentious and disputed legal claim,” saying it “potentially undermines” a resolution to the conflict.

During a visit to Israel last month, Carr’s successor, the Liberal Party’s Julie Bishop, urged the international community to resist labeling the settlements “illegal.”

“I would like to see which international law has declared them illegal,” Bishop told The Times of Israel, earning praise from mainstream Jewish leaders.
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Jewish Australian leaders slam documentary about alleged Israeli abuse of Palestinian children - Haaretz

To the incipient little Australian twit Julie Bishop: Try the 4th Geneva Convention, specifically Article 49 ...

And if you still can't figure it out, then have a gander at the International Court of Justice's advisory opinion on the matter ... you moron ...
 
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