A bad EPA movie: Arsenic And Laced With Cadmium.

Pilgrim

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They're from the Govt and they're here to help you - just like TVA made a horrendous mess right outside of Knoxville a few years ago. Of course the Obama administration will try to play down this latest disaster, but you can bet there will be a lot of pollution and a lot of lawsuits from the landowners and the several states effected by this latest mess made by the EPA, of all agencies.:spitoutdummy:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-23/tva-coal-ash-spill/57246824/1

Just imagine the h*ll the EPA would be raising right now if this had been caused by Exxon Mobil or BP.
 

paulnstef39

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EPA would be a LOT more vocal about this spill, if it was caused by coal mining company as opposed to them.
 

Unclebob

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Somehow I doubt that EPA employees were out there with shovels digging around in the muck. Jobs like that are contracted out to private companies.

You know, those for profit companies like Haliburton and all the other ones that live off of government government projects.
 
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muttly

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It was an EPA led team. Apparently they had a change of plans...with disastrous results.
Article excerpt: [ Bold emphasis added]
The spill occurred when one of its [EPA] teams was using heavy equipment to enter the Gold King Mine, a suspended mine near Durango. Instead of entering the mine and beginning the process of pumping and treating the contaminated water inside as planned, the team accidentally caused it to flow into the nearby Animas River. Before the spill, water carrying “metals pollution” was flowing into a holding area outside the mine.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill-irpt/
 
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Unclebob

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From the WSJ

Missouri-based Environmental Restoration LLC was the contractor whose work caused a mine spill in Colorado that released an estimated 3 million gallons of toxic sludge into a major river system, according to an Environmental Protection Agency official and government documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
 
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Turtle

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Not really. The EPA is responsible for what the contractor does, but not necessarily who the contractor hires. Same with Trump.
 
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muttly

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Give it a rest.

Check out this story. The EPA should have listened to this guy.

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GEOLOGIST PREDICTED EPA PROJECT THAT CAUSED TOXIC SPILL WOULD FAIL ‘WITHIN 7 TO 120 DAYS’
Six days before 3 million gallons of toxic waste poured into Colorado’s Cement Creek and Animas River on August 5, a retired geologist predicted that the EPA operation to plug the Red and Bonita mines that caused the spill would fail.
The Silverton Standardpublished this letter to the editor from Dave Taylor of Farmington, New Mexico, who says he has “47 years of experience” as a professional geologist:

I came to Silverton this summer to enjoy my retirement, appreciate nature and prospect the mountains for unique minerals. I came here to enjoy a simple life with no TV and no politics, but unfortunately, that has changed. Your EPA dilemma has caused my blood to boil.

Based on my 47 years experience as a professional geologist, it appears to me that the EPA is setting your town and the area up for a possible Superfund blitzkrieg.

In regards to your meeting with the EP on June 23, Mr. Hestmark’s (EPA representative) statement “we don’t have an agenda” is either ignorant naivety or an outright falsehood. I am certain Mr. Hestmark’s hyrdologists have advised him what’s going to happen when the Red & Bonita portals [are] plugged and the “grand experiment” begins with unknown and foreseeable results and possible negative consequences.

Here’s the scenario that will occur based on my experience:

Following the plugging, the exfiltrating water will be retained behind the bulkheads, accumulating at a rate of approximately 500 gallons per minute. As the water backs up, it will begin filling all connected mine workings and bedrock voids and fractures. As the water level inside the workings continue to rise, it will accumulate head pressure at a rate of 1 PSI per each 2.31 feet of vertical rise.

As the water continues to migrate through and fill interinterconnected workings, the pressure will increase. Eventually, without a doubt. The water will find a way out and will exfiltrate uncontrollably through connected abandoned shafts, drifts, raises, fractures, and possibly from talus on the hillsides. Initially it will appear that the miracle fix is working.

“Hallelujah.”

But make no mistake, within seven to 120 days all of the 500 gpm flow will return to Cement Creek. Contamination may actually increase due to disturbance and flushing action within the workings.

The “grand experiment” in my opinion will fail. And guess what Mr. Hestmark will say then?

Gee, ‘Plan A’ didn’t work so I guess we will have to build a treatment plant at a cost to taxpayers of $100 million to $500 million (who knows).

Reading between the lines, I believe that has been EPA’s plan all along. The proposed Red & Bonita plugging plan has been their way of getting a foot in the door to justify their hidden agenda for construction of a treatment plant.

After all, with a budget of $8.2 billion and 17,000 employees, the EPA needs new, big projects to feed the best and justify their existence.

I would recommend that anyone who owns a home, property water well or srping in the Cement Creek drainage take water samples ASAP to protect themselves from groundwater changes that may be caused by the EPA plugging operation.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-toxic-spill-would-fail-within-7-to-120-days/
 

Turtle

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I'm confused: choosing whom to hire isn't part of "what the contractor does"?
Load One is responsible for that you do (what you are contracted to do), but not necessarily how you accomplish that.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Load One is responsible for that you do (what you are contracted to do), but not necessarily how you accomplish that.
exactly..the Trump organization does not vet the people their contractors hires....
when I screwed up as a postal contractor I was not punished by the post office, my contractor was, who passed it on down the line....:)
 

cheri1122

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Load One is responsible for that you do (what you are contracted to do), but not necessarily how you accomplish that.

Load One makes it crystal clear that whatever I do must be according to all applicable laws - guess The Donald didn't do that. Hardly admirable in someone who is running for public office. Even less admirable when he makes illegal immigration a centerpiece of his plan for running the country. If he can't keep illegals out of his own bailiwick....
 

muttly

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Load One makes it crystal clear that whatever I do must be according to all applicable laws - guess The Donald didn't do that. Hardly admirable in someone who is running for public office. Even less admirable when he makes illegal immigration a centerpiece of his plan for running the country. If he can't keep illegals out of his own bailiwick....
Didn't they lie about not being illegal aliens?
 

Turtle

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Load One makes it crystal clear that whatever I do must be according to all applicable laws - guess The Donald didn't do that.
Actually he did. Hope Hicks, spokesperson for Trump Organization stated, “Our contractors are required to have prospective employees produce documentation that establishes identity and employment eligibility in compliance with immigration law. Further, Lend Lease, the lead contractor at the site, requires all contractors performing work at the project to follow all applicable federal, state and local laws."

Hardly admirable in someone who is running for public office. Even less admirable when he makes illegal immigration a centerpiece of his plan for running the country. If he can't keep illegals out of his own bailiwick....
SO the above comments stem from a false premise, and in the correct context your statement should probably read, "Very admirable in someone who is running for public office. Even more admirable when he makes illegal immigration a centerpiece of his plan for running the country."
 

OntarioVanMan

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Load One makes it crystal clear that whatever I do must be according to all applicable laws - guess The Donald didn't do that. Hardly admirable in someone who is running for public office. Even less admirable when he makes illegal immigration a centerpiece of his plan for running the country. If he can't keep illegals out of his own bailiwick....
Gee when did they change that policy? You know how many "Must be US citizen" loads I did when I was there ? LoL....
All I am meaning is everyone makes mistakes...
 
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