a bad and costly trend....Detention time

KickStarter6

Veteran Expediter
Depending on my mood and how busy I've been that week really help determine weather or not I try to detention. Its that the amount of talking that goes into getting everyone to agree on time tables and that I was late for this reason or that reason, if I'm tired I'll just sleep and call it even lol
 
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layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Many factors I imagine.
Does the carrier give a hoot about the driver and relations going forward?
Does the carrier give a hoot about the customer/broker and relations going forward?

I learned long ago that sometimes, in business, you have to take a loss, or don't profit, and just MOVE ON.
It's soooo very easy to get caught up in all the BS that is involved with these loads. Many if them have just way too many people/layers in the mix/pie to get any clear or easy answers. It's not uncommon for loads I run to have these layers....
1. Original customer calls nationwide freight conglomerate.
2. Nationwide freight conglomerate hires nationwide broker or forwarder to handle the expedite.
3. Nationwide broker hires regionally strong broker to put the load out for bids.
4. Regional broker hires my carrier.
5. My carrier sends my truck into the shipper.
6. Shipper is NOT the customer but could very well be where the detention is generated.

So it's not uncommon for detention approval to have to go through 5-6 steps to get approved for payment. Yes, it's a pain in the arse. But a necessary evil since the big shippers don't just call Tom's Trucks that happens to have a terminal down the street.
Cest la vie.

It costs money to sit. That includes while sitting to load or unload. For many in here, sitting waiting to load or unload includes the burning of fuel in a TCU, which costs even more. In more extreme temps, one has to burn fuel in an APU, to maintain comfortable temps in the sleeper and cab. All that fuel that is burned is lost profit which ONLY the O/O, contractor, loses.

Delays in route are costly as well. Delays at the border due to bad paper work. Who ever it is who makes that mistake should cover those costs.

There should be no free rides. Those "free rides" provided for shippers/consignees and carriers cost contractors profit, which is the ONLY reason to be in business. Without profit there is no business.

Delays can, and do, often cost contractors other work. Delays on one load can make it impossible for a contractor to make the next load that contractor is dispatched on. I doubt that there are many in here who had NOT lost loads due to delays on the one they were on. MOST of the time, those delays are caused by shippers/consignees and carriers.
 
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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I think the owner/president Spencer of AllState made that point clear one day right here.....when he claimed expediting business model was all about VOLUME, the MILES....and we O/O's were a COMMODITY......a commodity?.....like pork bellies?....

If you don't realize that the workers are to be treated as cattle would be, then you're not up on the times. Bottom line is they don't care; and why should they, if someone else can walk in and do it cheaper?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The old adage....Time is money.....never really gets old...it applies today as much as it did 100 yrs ago.... it is time out of your life you can never recover...it maybe only 2 hours, but that is 2 hours of your life lost forever.....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
If you don't realize that the workers are to be treated as cattle would be, then you're not up on the times. Bottom line is they don't care; and why should they, if someone else can walk in and do it cheaper?

so the carrier that has the slogan..."our O/O's are our best asset".....is full of crap?.....LOL
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
A pizz and moan thread is always good to break the boredom...LOL

True, but it is not so much pizzin and moanin when the problem being discussed is real and serious. I for one can attest to the loss of several thousand dollars in lost revenue and burnt fuel due to problems with shippers and consignees.
 

KickStarter6

Veteran Expediter
If my van is turned off and I'm waiting in either in the drivers lounge or the break room waiting how am I losing money but waiting to get loaded? I look at it as like the commute with a regular job, it's to get you where you need to be to make money. Just my 2 cents
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If my van is turned off and I'm waiting in either in the drivers lounge or the break room waiting how am I losing money but waiting to get loaded? I look at it as like the commute with a regular job, it's to get you where you need to be to make money. Just my 2 cents

2-3 hours waiting to get loaded. Now you cannot deliver on the same day, SO, you have to sit on that load over night, deliver in the morning, where you can sit for another few hours, all the while keeping you from being available for another load.
 

fr8hlr521

Active Expediter
It´s interesting how the casual view of two hours waiting to get loaded is different than, say, being two hours late to deliver....

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KickStarter6

Veteran Expediter
2-3 hours waiting to get loaded. Now you cannot deliver on the same day, SO, you have to sit on that load over night, deliver in the morning, where you can sit for another few hours, all the while keeping you from being available for another load.

Waiting longer than an hour has happened to me about 4 times that I can remember. Each of those times I was dispatched on another load while on transit so my personal experience is a bad example lol
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Waiting longer than an hour has happened to me about 4 times that I can remember. Each of those times I was dispatched on another load while on transit so my personal experience is a bad example lol

awww but grasshopper...you will see and learn of what we speak....you are still green around the gills yet.....ALL things change.....
 
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