9/11 Feelings

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

I am wondering what the general feeling is going to be for 9/11 on this anniversary. I am thinking that since it is more of a milestone year that it will cause people to reflect on the pain more than it has in the past. I think we will see an increase in politeness and a little more solidarity similar to what we saw after the attacks. I'm sure there will be some anger that is brought out but overall America will be a better place for a few days then we will go back to the same old thing.

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scottm4211 · Sep 6, 2011

What I feel (as I cross the border almost daily as well as recently have flown), is that we have surrendered to the fear. And it sucks.
Edit to add "we" being both the US and Canada as we tend to parrot what your government does for the most part.

greg334 · Sep 6, 2011

It doesn't really matter, the lessons of 9/11 are lost, our country has become a country of victims and we are as safe as we were on 9/10.

We can't come together, too many divisive things have happened, and it seems after the attack, it was a money grab because the government stepped in and compensated those who asked for compensation which no matter how you want to justify it, made it a money issue and not a national security issue.

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

Greg I agree that we are a divided nation now but there was a lot of solidarity and patriotism after on 9/12 and I think we will see some of it again but it won't last long.

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moose · Sep 6, 2011

It's an elections year, so your feeling will depends on your candidate of choice.
the gov. now tells you how to feel.

layoutshooter · Sep 6, 2011

One's "feelings" about what happened on 9/11 should not be marginalized by politics. The attacks on 9/11 were the acts of evil people with no respect for life.

There were NOT "freedom fighters". They were not "patriots". They were not brave men. They were ONLY cowards who did NOT have the "stones" to stand up and fight like men, they just attacked defenseless, innocent, human beings. They are not to be admired. The are to only be ****ed.

We can, and should, discuss the politics of this in another thread. IF, for no other reason, to insure that the same stupidity and mistakes that allowed these attacks to happen are NEVER repeated.

Ragman · Sep 6, 2011

layoutshooter said:
. . . to insure that the same stupidity and mistakes that allowed these attacks to happen are NEVER repeated.

That will never happen. History is full of the same stupidity and mistakes.

layoutshooter · Sep 6, 2011

Ragman said:
That will never happen. History is full of the same stupidity and mistakes.

One can hope. That is ALL I will say on that subject in this thread.

paullud · Sep 6, 2011

I hope to see people passionate about their country again, even if it is only for a short time. I think the view of the US might improve outside of our borders as well.

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layoutshooter · Sep 6, 2011

paullud said:
I hope to see people passionate about their country again, even if it is only for a short time. I think the view of the US might improve outside of our borders as well.

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Come over to my house and you will see "passion" for our Constitution and country, AND MORE. No wimps or anti-American's allowed!

twe2011 · Sep 6, 2011

On the day, I planned to email all the congressmen reflections of the day.

If we can all reunite as one...usa...and take out all the anti.americans. I believe this will be the only effective way to earn respect from other countries. Otherwise, it is like a family fighting among each other. But we need to get rid of the problem that is effecting our country within.

witness23 · Sep 7, 2011

I'm a bit puzzled by these statements

layoutshooter said:
There were NOT "freedom fighters". They were not "patriots".

I have to assume that you are talking about the terrorists, right? If so, who is calling them them "freedom fighters" or "patriots"?

They were not brave men.

Again, who has called them brave men?

They were ONLY cowards who did NOT have the "stones" to stand up and fight like men, they just attacked defenseless, innocent, human beings.

Agreed, but who is portraying them in a different light?

They are not to be admired. The are to only be ****ed.

Who in God's name is admiring them? Politicians? Pundits? Bloggers? Those in the Soapbox? Media? The American public? American Muslims? Who?

Has there been a call to try and make the terrorists of 9/11 look any different than what they were, terrorists? I don't get it?

If you were posting on a Al-Qaeda forum, then I could see those statements being made, but here? I don't get it?

layoutshooter · Sep 7, 2011

witness23 said:
I'm a bit puzzled by these statements

I have to assume that you are talking about the terrorists, right? If so, who is calling them them "freedom fighters" or "patriots"?

Again, who has called them brave men?

Agreed, but who is portraying them in a different light?

Who in God's name is admiring them? Politicians? Pundits? Bloggers? Those in the Soapbox? Media? The American public? American Muslims? Who?

Has there been a call to try and make the terrorists of 9/11 look any different than what they were, terrorists? I don't get it?

If you were posting on a Al-Qaeda forum, then I could see those statements being made, but here? I don't get it?

What does any of what you posted have to do with YOUR feelings about this day? I am NOT going to play your games in this thread.

witness23 · Sep 7, 2011

layoutshooter said:
What does any of what you posted have to do with YOUR feelings about this day? I am NOT going to play your games in this thread.

Just trying to figure out where you're coming from is all.

I'm not playing games, just merely asking questions on your comments that have me puzzled is all.

I would hope that the anniversary of 9/11, people would come together and remember the fallen and their families from that dreadful day. From the first responders, the firemen, policemen, doctors, nurses, everyday citizens that put their lives on the line to help those that they could. That we honor and remember our troops that have fallen and those that have given their time and duty to protect us. That we remember the sacrifices and challenges that our Military families have endured for the last 10 years. That it will give us a reminder on how fragile our freedoms are and that we should not take them for granted.

layoutshooter · Sep 7, 2011

witness23 said:
Just trying to figure out where you're coming from is all.

I'm not playing games, just merely asking questions on your comments that have me puzzled is all.

I would hope that the anniversary of 9/11, people would come together and remember the fallen and their families from that dreadful day. From the first responders, the firemen, policemen, doctors, nurses, everyday citizens that put their lives on the line to help those that they could. That we honor and remember our troops that have fallen and those that have given their time and duty to protect us. That we remember the sacrifices and challenges that our Military families have endured for the last 10 years. That it will give us a reminder on how fragile our freedoms are and that we should not take them for granted.

Thank you for expressing your thoughts.

witness23 · Sep 7, 2011

Thank you.

I'm still wondering who it is that is calling the 9/11 terrorist, "freedom fighters", "patriots", "brave men" and that they should be "admired"

layoutshooter · Sep 7, 2011

witness23 said:
Thank you.

I'm still wondering who it is that is calling the 9/11 terrorist, "freedom fighters", "patriots", "brave men" and that they should be "admired"

Another thread maybe. I don't want to "discuss" in this one. Nothing personal.

witness23 · Sep 7, 2011

layoutshooter said:
Another thread maybe. I don't want to "discuss" in this one. Nothing personal.

I'm just asking about the comments that you posted....in this thread.

I didn't take it personally.

layoutshooter · Sep 7, 2011

I want this thread left for people to just post what they think, not to question those thoughts. I hope you understand.

greg334 · Sep 7, 2011

But Layout, I have to question it because it goes to the core of my feelings.

We are not the country we could be or should be, we are a country that has been redefined by our fears and worries.

I look at the terms that are used here, patriot, hero, coward and think who decided that what a patriot is or hero is or a coward is?

It matters because for some, it feels we are still living in a fog, a purposeful created fog and until we get the idea that we failed, we didn't win and can't win, we will remain in the fog. If we wanted to win, then the idea of the freedom towers would have been rejected but just rebuilt the WTC center to show our resolve, we would have went after those who planned this in silence and we would have followed the lead of the same country who has been facing the same style of terrorism for decades.

But we didn't.

We lost those lessons of resolve and fortitude right away and became a country which we forgot what we are fighting for, it surely isn't our freedoms which are in no danger by any and all terrorist, but we would fight for the concept of our country and what it represents. It is the foundation of those freedoms that crumbled not because of the attack but our reaction following our shock and I don't mean the anger or hatred but the fear and victimization of the country.

We forgot what freedom is, we accept the airport security with silly rules, we accept our borders being a mess and we accept the leadership that faltered right from the start.

We shouldn't be celebrating failures, but victories. We should have celebrated the rising from the ashes our country but we can't.