60/40 revisited?

Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
There you go. Just figgure what your costs are and what you have to have to make your 30-40-50 or 60% you need, or, stay on the porch. Don't go get in the mix of things, then whine about whatever you think you are short. Jes stay on the porch till it's humdulah.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say, that last sentence I am not even sure what language that is...LOL
 

are12

Expert Expediter
If I understand you right, you would like to have your driver's take a cut in pay, so your profit margin stays acceptable. Good luck with that!
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
i dont know if you know this,but mexicans have been running u s loads for years,they work for u s companies.as far as freight being slow,only if your not with a good company.my revenue is much higher this year for the same time as last year,and not just because the fsc is higher this year.my run count is the same,and my acceptance is about the same.Im just careful that loads dont go into the middle of know where.To expensive to dead head now with $4.00 FUEL COSTS
 

jwc

Seasoned Expediter
Why is it some fleet owners are still buying trucks and some are going broke ? Some say drivers have to take a cut and my fleet owner is adding a bonus program? Maybe you need comuncate with your drivers and not dictate to them on what to do . But like i have heard b-4 if fleet owners want trucks to run beter may they should offer the loads and dh sm to fleet owner let the fleet owner deside weather the load is worth running and the the fleet owner tells the driver what to do and pays the driver for all miles. LOL never going to happen
 

are12

Expert Expediter
We don't run for any fleet owners but if we did and it was ever suggested that we take a cut in pay, in order for them to maintain their business/lifestyle, we would be looking for a fleet owner that does not live beyond their means and has quality equipment.
But that is just our opinion!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
But like i have heard b-4 if fleet owners want trucks to run beter may they should offer the loads and dh sm to fleet owner let the fleet owner deside weather the load is worth running and the the fleet owner tells the driver what to do and pays the driver for all miles. LOL never going to happen

Never say never. Some fleet owners demand their drivers ask them before accepting a load. Some others demand their drivers take every load. Some demand their drivers ask them where to layover. Makes you wonder if the owners own not only the trucks, but the drivers too.

Yep... some owners want to drive the truck without ever having to sit in the seat.
 

jwc

Seasoned Expediter
Thats why the company should offer the load to fleet owner and he gets the rating system to. We don't have a problem with our fleet owner but just watched a driver lose a good load the outher day waiting on fleet owner to say yes or no
 
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I'm gonna throw something in here and everyone may think I'm crazy. What a person thinks is acceptable pay has something to do with where they call home. I'm talking from a driver's point of view. Someone like me who lives in the middle of nowhere Arkansas can make it on less than someone from say San Diego. Here average rent for a family is 350-500 per month. In San Diego you are looking at about triple that. See what I'm saying?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Some fleet owners get a mileage bonus for the amount of trucks they have on with a carrier At E-1 an owner with 5 trucks gets.05 per mile for every truck. Over time this is a nice chunk of change that drivers don't see.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
yep Joe, geographical cost of living has some to do with it. However, i've had folks come to me and say they need a grand a week. No problem, thats do-able. But they show up in a ten year old car, I find they live in a trailer, or still rent an apartment, and "need" a grand a week. Thats a lot of money, 50K a year. A fella can get hizzef a lot of nice things after a year or three of that. But, the holes have already been dug. An they fell in a couple. Sooo. the truck gotta be the salvation. But, they gotta be home one week to pay the rent. The next week to make a car payment, an on, an on. It's not only what they should need to be comfortable, it's a whole mirade of other tings. And yes, asking someone to help out by taking a cut in pay for a while would be very difficult for all involved. But, me tink, we ain't seen nuttin yet.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Some fleet owners get a mileage bonus for the amount of trucks they have on with a carrier At E-1 an owner with 5 trucks gets.05 per mile for every truck. Over time this is a nice chunk of change that drivers don't see.

Think about it. That .05 comes from somewhere. Perhaps the 90% preferred customer rate?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Think about it. That .05 comes from somewhere. Perhaps the 90% preferred customer rate?

Hawk...I am not so disillusioned to think that somewhere, someplace along the line I am contributing to that fund as a single operator.

We call em Major, Minor customers.....
I would think if I were a small shipper I'd be quite put out that I'd be rated as a Non-preferred or minor customer????
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I would think if I were a small shipper I'd be quite put out that I'd be rated as a Non-preferred or minor customer????

Are you mean the rate or the title? One time customers should know that volume fits into the equation. If Express-1 is never gonna see that customer again, they shouldn't get a premium rate.

Once a customer's freight is on my truck, they too are a preferred customer. ;)

Something you may want to know. It doesn't matter what the tariff pays. If that customer is considered preferred, you get minor rate.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Are you mean the rate or the title? One time customers should know that volume fits into the equation. If Express-1 is never gonna see that customer again, they shouldn't get a premium rate.

Once a customer's freight is on my truck, they too are a preferred customer. ;)

Something you may want to know. It doesn't matter what the tariff pays. If that customer is considered preferred, you get minor rate.

How does one know that they'll never see that customer again...isn't that like a catch 22?

Example...P2 has a Cat contract and brokers a load out...WHY shoulld WE or me honour thier contract and do it at thier contract rate???? Thats what seems to happen more times then not.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
How does one know that they'll never see that customer again...isn't that like a catch 22?

Example...P2 has a Cat contract and brokers a load out...WHY shoulld WE or me honour thier contract and do it at thier contract rate???? Thats what seems to happen more times then not.

They get their 'peferred rate' after they put their money where their mouth is. I think it's just a known for small businesses, they aren't going to see the same perks as 'major' clients, which in turn, makes it even tougher for the small guy. Like they say.. the rich get richer.. and the poor, well.. :eek:
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
.P2 has a Cat contract and brokers a load out...WHY shoulld WE or me honour thier contract and do it at thier contract rate????

When P2 brokers out a load, it's put out for bid. E1, or any one else, has no obligation of any sort. They are free to bid what they see fit. P2 is going to accept a bid that will make them a couple of bucks.

As far as major and minor customers, I think that a small volume customer would understand that they won't get the same price break as Chrysler. That same customer is going to charge more per widget for 10 pieces than they would for 100,000.
 
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