55% increase in costs, thanks Obamacare

Turtle

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I think what she's saying is that if a company makes, say, 20% profit, that it should more or less be evenly distributed amongst the workers.
 

cheri1122

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Sorry but the idea that their is only x amount of profit (available dollars to be made) is completely false which pretty much blows the rest of your theory out of the water.

Profit isn't "available dollars to be made", it's actual dollars made, and that number is concrete. You're talking hypothetically, but wages and bonuses are determined by actual numbers.
 

cheri1122

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I think what she's saying is that if a company makes, say, 20% profit, that it should more or less be evenly distributed amongst the workers.

"Evenly"? Where would you get such a dumb idea? I specifically said that when the CEO made 200 times as much as the workers, no one complained. We understand that capitalism rewards those who succeed, and that's how we want it. But this is capitalism run amok, when profits and bonuses and worker productivity all increase, but minimum wage remains flat for many years? When the middle class is shrinking, while megazillionaires are increasing?
We get that the people who run companies deserve a boatload of money, but they don't deserve so much of the profits that the people who do the actual work require food stamps to survive.
 

mrgoodtude

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So...DON'T eat out so often....problem solved....money saved....Americans eat out far too much....Obesity is at record levels....Obesity causes your healthcare costs to increase and that is on YOU! Not Obama........
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I looked at Obama's Premiums for health care, did so after a chest pain she had (cost 5K to be under a doughnet for 15 min).. My cost is 700 a month for the silver plan with a $5000 deductible. I can't afford that. Nor can I afford the 12k bill for feeling a little under the weather. **** Obama
 

coalminer

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Of course there will always be poor people - we get that. There will also always be people whose best financial interests lie in keeping the working poor as poor as possible, because there's only so much profit: more for you is less for me. It is not in our best interests to restrain them too much, because they are the smart & successful kind of people - but neither is it in our best interests to allow them to decide who is worth how much, once the failure of self restraint is so glaringly obvious.
It's all about balance. When CEOs made 2 or 300 times as much as their entry level workers, no one complained, but the gap just kept getting bigger. It's now somewhere around 850 to 1 in many companies, and that's just plain nuts.
As Dave says, the answer is moving people into marketable careers - only there aren't enough of those to satisfy the need. College graduates can't find jobs, even in 'in demand' fields, because so many jobs have been outsourced, to improve the profits at the top.
If it continues, where does it end? How do we function without a viable middle class?

You want to know when the last time the wage gap was as high as it is now?

Right before the great depression, unless the rich stop being so greedy, they are going to drive us into another depression, only this time its going to be worse as we have become so dependent on the system.
 

coalminer

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"Evenly"? Where would you get such a dumb idea? I specifically said that when the CEO made 200 times as much as the workers, no one complained. We understand that capitalism rewards those who succeed, and that's how we want it. But this is capitalism run amok, when profits and bonuses and worker productivity all increase, but minimum wage remains flat for many years? When the middle class is shrinking, while megazillionaires are increasing?
We get that the people who run companies deserve a boatload of money, but they don't deserve so much of the profits that the people who do the actual work require food stamps to survive.

There is a point where prosperity becomes greed, and that line gets crossed way too often in todays world.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I looked at Obama's Premiums for health care, did so after a chest pain she had (cost 5K to be under a doughnet for 15 min).. My cost is 700 a month for the silver plan with a $5000 deductible. I can't afford that. Nor can I afford the 12k bill for feeling a little under the weather. **** Obama

of course now I posted that...I get the notice my premiums are going up 90 bucks a month.....BUT still not 700$.....
 

layoutshooter

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Outrageous taxes aimed at keeping the People in their place so old money can remain in power is why we are broke. That and government programs like ObamaCare aimed at controlling us.

Government is the evil in charge.
 

coalminer

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Outrageous taxes aimed at keeping the People in their place so old money can remain in power is why we are broke. That and government programs like ObamaCare aimed at controlling us.

Government is the evil in charge.

Government is not the evil in charge, they are only the tool being used against us by the "old money" you spoke about.

What is the only thing a man with power (money) want? More power

What will a man with power (money) do to keep it? Anything they have to do.
 

layoutshooter

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Government is not the evil in charge, they are only the tool being used against us by the "old money" you spoke about.

What is the only thing a man with power (money) want? More power

What will a man with power (money) do to keep it? Anything they have to do.

Maybe, but they are the one's who have the power to take it from us. Like ObamaCare, Welfare, Medicade, etc etc etc.

We are kept broke to keep the Kennedy's, Bush's and Kerry's in power.
 

coalminer

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Maybe, but they are the one's who have the power to take it from us. Like ObamaCare, Welfare, Medicade, etc etc etc.

We are kept broke to keep the Kennedy's, Bush's and Kerry's in power.


Good point, the health care act is the biggest piece of wealth concentration legislation that has come from the government.

If anyone needs any proof that it was written by the insurance companies themselves one just has to look at Pelosi said, she was the one that said we were going to have to pass it to find out what was in it.

By the way, I refuse to call it Obamacare, he had nothing to do with that law other than signing his name to it.

But no worries, it will get repealed, when the insurance companies wrote that law, they figured that enough young healthy people would sign up and since that isn't happening, they are not making as much money as they thought they would. The GOP being so outspoken against it just makes it easier to correct their mistake.....
 

layoutshooter

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"By the way, I refuse to call it Obamacare, he had nothing to do with that law other than signing his name to it."

He was just the evil Marxist stooge that pushed it as his "PupperMaster" told him to do.
 

coalminer

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"By the way, I refuse to call it Obamacare, he had nothing to do with that law other than signing his name to it."

He was just the evil Marxist stooge that pushed it as his "PupperMaster" told him to do.


Well, if told either do what you are told or take a bullet, what would you do?
 

layoutshooter

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AND

For all you Marxist "gemmie goober" who want the US government to take total control of your health care, consider this:

The estimated percentage of American who are veterans is 13%. Do you REALLY think that since it is PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot provide proper health care for a small percentage of 13% of the population, what in the name of pluperfect hell makes you thing they can provide proper health care for 100% of the entire population.

On top of that, do you REALLY believe that the Obama's, Clinton's, Kennedy's, Bush's, Romney's, Ford's and Buffet's, will REALLY have the same standard of health care that your are FORCED to take?

If so, what are you smoking? Cow pies?
 

coalminer

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I would fight. I would do neither willingly. Only cowards do as they are told or give up.


And if they threatened to go after your family? Remember, these greedy people will do whatever they need to do to keep their power. The president has a wife and children to think about, he is going to do as he is told.
 

coalminer

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AND

For all you Marxist "gemmie goober" who want the US government to take total control of your health care, consider this:

The estimated percentage of American who are veterans is 13%. Do you REALLY think that since it is PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot provide proper health care for a small percentage of 13% of the population, what in the name of pluperfect hell makes you thing they can provide proper health care for 100% of the entire population.

On top of that, do you REALLY believe that the Obama's, Clinton's, Kennedy's, Bush's, Romney's, Ford's and Buffet's, will REALLY have the same standard of health care that your are FORCED to take?

If so, what are you smoking? Cow pies?

I am a socialist so yes I believe in a national heath care system, and I agree with you that the system to take care of our vets is nothing more than a joke.

And no, the rich people will not have the same level of healthcare as we common folks, there will always be 2 levels of healthcare, one for us and one for them. Once the health care act is repealed, there will so few people who will be able to afford health care that what is left will only be able to support the rich.
 

layoutshooter

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And if they threatened to go after your family? Remember, these greedy people will do whatever they need to do to keep their power. The president has a wife and children to think about, he is going to do as he is told.

Obama was bought and paid for, willingly.

Men of honor have been faced with their own death, and that of those they care for, since Mankind as existed. Some gave in, some did not. The more that give in, the longer the tyranny lives.

There is nothing new. Obama sold his soul for the power he coveted. He would have given his family up for that power. He is no different than those Africans that sold his ancestors into slavery.

There are many kinds of greed. Greed for power, greed for money are just two. Most in power today, including Obama, sold out for one, or both. He started selling out LONG before he was an adult. He was a cheap and easy purchase.
 

layoutshooter

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I am a socialist so yes I believe in a national heath care system, and I agree with you that the system to take care of our vets is nothing more than a joke.

And no, the rich people will not have the same level of healthcare as we common folks, there will always be 2 levels of healthcare, one for us and one for them. Once the health care act is repealed, there will so few people who will be able to afford health care that what is left will only be able to support the rich.

I am the son of a miner. My dad mined coal in PA and salt in Michigan. I have seen the scourge that is socialism. I saw what it did in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. I never met relatives I had in Poland due to what the socialists did. I know of the 20+ million they murdered in Eastern Europe. Not to mention that many, or more in Asia.

I spent 20 years fighting that evil. Working side by side with many who spent year trying to escape that evil. I will never give in.

I HATE socialism and EVERYTHING it stands for. It is the enemy of freedom and the idea tha Man excels when He lives under the idea that self-determination and personal responsibility serves His soul the best.

Socialism destroys the will of Man.
 
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