2012 Cascadia

[ChanceMaster]

Got to test drive this beauty today...can you say plush RV with a cargo box ? Very impressed with build quality and ride. Thanks to Jeff Jones at Stoops !

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[ATeam]

What is the asking price?

Background story about Jones and this truck

 

[jjoerger]

I was told around $180k dry box and around $225k reefer. Lift gate, lift axle and some other stuff optional.
For comparison FYDA has a dry box 2012 Cascadia with the factory sleeper for $135k.
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Freightliner of Knoxville has an M2 with a 96" sleeper for $125.5k.
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[ChanceMaster]

Around 220k ..ball park . TVAL 100 inch sleeper . DD13 , auto. Lots of bells and whistles . Very quiet in cab going down the road. No hot tub .

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[usafk9]

Jeff Jones told me $190k dry box; did not ask about reefer-no interest here. Seems to me you're sacrificing a ton of that expensive sleeper's room for that reefer.

That price did not include pusher axle or liftgate; not sure about APU.

Fyda's model (an AA sleeper) is maxed out on the steer axle (the 96" sleeper). Extra axle is a necessity.

I like shiny objects, but that is a ton of dough for a dry box. Our truck will be paid for mid-2012. The real world mileage figures plus factory warranty and solutions to the perpetual DPF/SCR/EGR/CARB/Alphabet soup emissions crap to my satisfaction will have to be looked at real strong before I think about getting into payments again.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to pull a Leo and yank Caleeeeefornia outta my atlas.

 

[usafk9]

Let's see the pic from that same spot, but turned around.

 

[jjoerger]

If I invested $150k in the truck I have now I could rebuild it end to end, stretch the sleeper and put on a new dry box, apu, lift gate and lift axle. It would be a show truck with that kind of money.
And I would still have enough cash to take the time off and watch someone do all the work.
These new trucks are just too expensive for me.

 

[davekc]

Large sleepers are a requirement on anything built after 07.
Why? Most of the time will be spent in the dealers lot waiting on the regen issues to be fixed. Just stop at a large dealer and look at the lines for regen repairs.
Absolutely fascinating.

 

[TeamCaffee]

Our 2012 Cascadia has 70,330 miles on our DD13 and we are still amazed with the truck and the fuel mileage. Don Bentz makes an amazing comfortable sleeper which we are still thrilled with.

We will be running a DDEC report on our truck in the next couple of days for an update on our fuel mileage. Our last report for the life of the motor was 11.79 mpg and the DD13 does a regen about every 10,000 miles. We are getting around 600 mpg of DEF that we purchase which has been running us about 2.59 a gallon which is a cost of around .004 a mile.

We have had no complaints about this truck or sleeper combination and it just keeps getting better. The price is not cheap and something that needs to be taken into consideration.

The fuel mileage alone can help you make a decision:
8 mpg 140,000 miles per year at $3.00 a gallon for fuel = $52,500
9 mpg 140,000 miles per year at $3.00 a gallon for fuel = $46,665
10 mpg 140,000 miles per year at $3.00 a gallon for fuel = $42,000
11 mpg 140,000 miles per year at $3.00 a gallon for fuel = $38,181
12 mpg 140,000 miles per year at $3.00 a gallon for fuel = $34,998

So far we have had no regen issues but like any truck it could cause a problem like any other component. At least one engine manufacture is sold out well into 2012 which speaks highly of how far their motor have came.

When they came out with "electronic" engines everyone said that all of these trucks will be sitting alongside the highway broke down as mechanical engines where reliable. The major reliability issues never materialized. The "electronic" engines have done better on fuel and last longer then the mechanical engines. In 03 EGR came out as a requirement and it had its problems and many still have problems due to the fact EPA made the manufactures put this on before they were ready. In 2007 once again EPA mandated DPF to be available before the manufactures were ready and once again there were some problems. In 2010 they were ready with SCR and the newer trucks do not seem to be having major difficulties. This technology had been in use in Europe for years and we this time were not the guinea pigs.

 

[jjoerger]

And you take really good care of it and perform the required maintenance.

 

[ChrisGa23]

I love the Cascadia's one day when I can afford it im gonna buy me one. But for the price of 190K or over 200K. No thanks haha. During the summer they had a 6 bedroom 3 bath 100% 2 story wood cabin with private lake and 11 acres for 124,000 near me. I cant see paying that much for a truck that in 15 years down the road wont be worth barley nothing. But I guess you gotta spend money to make money !

 

[zorry]

After spending an afternoon in the Caffee's truck I fell in love with the Bentz sleeper. Also, my first choice of engines would be a DD13. Not being a freightliner fan,I spoke to Jeff Jones,and FYDA and decided to take another route. A Volvo dlr in Ohio has about a dozen Volvo daycabs that were ordered to be high end motorhomes. Renegade bought 5 last week. They are 40' long,fully double framed. They have 20,000 lb frt axles, 18,000+ steer tires with 16,000lb springs. (This is my only concern)Will it ride OK ? D13 @500 hp, I-Shift. As luxurious as you can do a Volvo:heated windshield, massaging seats,etc. Full screw and you can lock 3 wheels at once.With a highly spec'd Kidron box,a Top mount 950 set up for TVal,An ARI 72" slpr,On-spots, and liftgate we are afew thousand under Jones. Hope it works.....

 

[usafk9]

72" Sleeper for a few thousand under?

 

[zorry]

Yeah, 72" sleeper. That's the sacrifice. The Volvo has a 122" bbc compared to the 113" Cascadia.Also because of cab design you lose 2" more in boot area. We could have gone 79" slpr but that would have been more custom and we decided to scale back the price. We'll get a bunk/dinette like the bentz, a smaller counter area but still get a med-sized fridge,2 burner cooktop, and convection micro-wave. 22" LCD flatscreen is standard.Alittle more truck,alittle more box. S/S roll-up door/frame, plenty led lites.nice liftgate,22'9" box. I think I'll be comfy in the new sleeper knowing I'll never overload the trk and that it's a heavy enough truck to do the job for many years to come. Besides, I'm coming out of a COE, so it's definitely an upgrade...

 

[zorry]

Nothing wrong with Jones' truck, I just prefer a little heavier-duty truck

 

[TeamCaffee]

Nothing wrong with Jones' truck, I just prefer a little heavier-duty truck

Can you explain this comment?

I am confused by heavier duty truck as the only thing I can think of that is heavy duty this this truck is one built to work in the mines and never get on pavement.

We watched the sleeper being built and from what I saw I do not think there is a safer sleeper on the market. While we were at the Don's shop we watched them rebuilding a sleeper that rolled into a tree right behind the drivers door. The sleeper was intact and as I said being rebuilt.

I have seen a few other sleepers who have been on the ground or into trees and they would not have been rebuilt and the co driver probably would not have walked away.

 

[davekc]

At todays rates, I am having a hard time wrapping my head around a 200k dry box truck. I would also like to see some better reliability reports from the industry sources that indicate some successes. The last one (2011's) showed 66 problems per 100 trucks. That isn't encouraging and I have yet to find a dealer to fully endorse the reliability of any make.
Kinda bothersome, but maybe that will change with the 2012's?

Also to Bob and Linda.
Of course no one is buying fuel for $3.00 a gallon, but I wonder if the DPF fluid is also factored in your numbers? If not, that would skew those numbers some. We are weighing our options carefully, and so far, our experience hasn't been a pleasant one with regards to the new engines. The new Volvo engines may show promise as they have come out with a non-regen engine. Information seems to be pretty limited on it so far.

 

[highway star]

I was wondering about that comment as well. Your Cascadia will never come close to being pushed beyond its limits as an expedite truck.

 

[TeamCaffee]

Also to Bob and Linda.
Of course no one is buying fuel for $3.00 a gallon, but I wonder if the DPF fluid is also factored in your numbers? If not, that would skew those numbers some. We are weighing our options carefully, and so far, our experience hasn't been a pleasant one with regards to the new engines. The new Volvo engines may show promise as they have come out with a non-regen engine. Information seems to be pretty limited on it so far.

I have this in my original post:
We are getting around 600 mpg of DEF that we purchase which has been running us about 2.59 a gallon which is a cost of around .004 a mile.

DEF is not much of a factor in what our fuel is costing us and it is really not a fuel cost.

 

[zorry]

Maybe I'm still hung-up on heavy from my heavy-haul days. I agree the Caffee's will never push the limit on a D unit. I'm building a DR .A mutual friend of the Caffee's and me ,(J), was asked to leave Winnapeg,empty, because thier T660 DR was over 12,000# on the steers EMPTY. It's been well documented on EO that 12,000 # steer axles are marginal on DR units. The T300 I'm driving til my truck gets built is V shaped due to too light of a frame.Jones told me I could order a Cascadia with heavier steer axle and a tandem. He said I'd have a better truck, but it'd be more expensive after adding in the upgrades and the FET. So at the same cost, I'm $20,000 cheaper.Jones profits much of that $20,000. Mine goes to FET.ARI vs Bentz ? I called Don before ARI but he wouldn't build a Volvo.....