$1.12 is a not a reduced rate? Running at that rate would put me out of business fast. Nothing like driving down the freight rates!! Must not be many OOIDA members over there eh? You know, "Say NO to cheap freight".
2010 has come in with a BANG!
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That is the going rate Joe....for most carriers even fedex surface runs on the cheap now...
From our prospective and probably many others, $1.12 would be considered running at a reduced rate all the time. Doesn't mean we wouldn't consider a load at that rate in some circumstances, but not as a standard rate.
Could be worse, one or two carriers have their standard rate at 1.05.
Not even worth starting the truck up as a single load. You can do LTL's for that price and throw a few on the truck.
Could be worse, one or two carriers have their standard rate at 1.05.
Not even worth starting the truck up as a single load. You can do LTL's for that price and throw a few on the truck.
Unfortunately Dave some carriers think because they supply an abundance of miles you'll make money....where as we think the reverse...
E-1 example...2008 numbers compared to 09...loaded miles are up 75% and the fleet is about the same size....so they cut rates with the mind set that with all the miles available you have the op to make more money...
E-1 example...2008 numbers compared to 09...loaded miles are up 75% and the fleet is about the same size....so they cut rates with the mind set that with all the miles available you have the op to make more money...
Rates have remained fairly steady to the customer, but many companies have a smaller load count. In order to maintain the same profit margins, they pull the difference through the rates.
Unfortunately, they are doing it on the backs of their fleets whether through reduced rates, load offer competitions to see what fool will run for nothing, or brokering it out to a independent who will run it at a rate below what they pay their own leased fleet. That is likely or one of the reasons your van rate hasn't been restored to previous numbers.
Unfortunately, they are doing it on the backs of their fleets whether through reduced rates, load offer competitions to see what fool will run for nothing, or brokering it out to a independent who will run it at a rate below what they pay their own leased fleet. That is likely or one of the reasons your van rate hasn't been restored to previous numbers.
also Dave according to E-1 gloating from 08 to 09 load counts were up 60% in 09...go figure.....we now have to run more miles to make what we did in 08....from this side of the fence that is all wrong.
In my mind it is to the advantage of a driver doing the 60/40 split and running the wheels off...and the owner gets the repair/PM bills
In my mind it is to the advantage of a driver doing the 60/40 split and running the wheels off...and the owner gets the repair/PM bills
guido4475
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I know we all have discussed this before, but I can't help from saying that it amzes me and pees me off that as everything is going up in cost, our rates are the only thing going down..kinda butt backwards...
Dakota
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Congrats!! Glad both of you are doing good, it sure makes life a bit lease stressful for all involved...as for the start of this yr for me in the lowly CV, things are good, gross income is ahead of last yr and since i don't run my business like most, I'll leave it at that!! But its all good!!
Yeah, most don't eat out at fancy restaurants every night for dinner
The analogy that comes to mind is:
Go into the office and say....I am going to cut your wages by 15% BUT there is the opportunity to work overtime to help make up for it...that sounds fair?
So you'll make the same money but have to work longer hours to do so...
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Dakota
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The parody that comes to mind is:
Go into the office and say....I am going to cut your wages by 15% BUT there is the opportunity to work overtime to help make up for it...that sounds fair?
So you'll make the same money but have to work longer hours to do so...
Eventually as fuel goes up and other costs go up, more trucking companies will go under and more will hire independents to do the work until they all go broke. Then maybe we will get a fair rate.
The parody that comes to mind is:
Go into the office and say....I am going to cut your wages by 15% BUT there is the opportunity to work overtime to help make up for it...that sounds fair?
So you'll make the same money but have to work longer hours to do so...
That is what many are essentially saying. Just looks and sounds better when they wrap it up with some flowery bs.
The parody that comes to mind is:
Go into the office and say....I am going to cut your wages by 15% BUT there is the opportunity to work overtime to help make up for it...that sounds fair?
So you'll make the same money but have to work longer hours to do so...
The reality is, that there are a few hundred thousand people on the streets right now that certainly would rather of heard that, than what they actually heard.
That is whole different situation....there Col...
I understand that we have to be competitive and all that good stuff....one has to do what one has to do to put food on the table...and many had no other choice.
You sir do run your own business..Outside of economic concerns YOU have real control of your business..WE do not...we have NO control over the prices, WE do NOT make operational rules. We as in me is not truly an independent O/O...as long as I hang onto some ones shirt tails to rely on them my living. As I sit here and hope they are looking for a load..it is out of my hands. In essence I am dependent on the carrier...
chefdennis
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Dakota wrote:
Not every night, but when i run out of those home cooked meals from my own frig, and on Sundays for sure!!!
The frig is empty and has been for almost a week, so yeap the dinner bill is up there right now, but i do enjoy eating good, and I won't be home for a few more weeks....then i am comin down to the condo in Fla with the wife and youngest daughter for a week in april....so...
Not every night, but when i run out of those home cooked meals from my own frig, and on Sundays for sure!!!
The frig is empty and has been for almost a week, so yeap the dinner bill is up there right now, but i do enjoy eating good, and I won't be home for a few more weeks....then i am comin down to the condo in Fla with the wife and youngest daughter for a week in april....so...
I believe I suggested to YOU a long time ago how YOU could correct that little problem.
There is a lot of folks out of work which in part drives the current situation. Can't blame the carriers for wanting to capitalize on it. My only beef with some is they are less than forthcoming with why they are doing it.
I go with the same plan. If I don't like the run, I will find my own loads as we currently do. If it was or became something progressive, then I would become a competitor.
I go with the same plan. If I don't like the run, I will find my own loads as we currently do. If it was or became something progressive, then I would become a competitor.
Personally I am not complaining...just putting the discussion out there for others...
I'am on the way out...BUT if I were younger I'd surely go your route and get away from these little dictators...
IMO..any one contracted to a carrier is NOT an Independent Owner Operator...Just an Owner Operator....
As long as you depend on that carrier for your livelihood all independence is gone. Your future is in thier hands
As long as you depend on that carrier for your livelihood all independence is gone. Your future is in thier hands