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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Thib... fictional Marxists? Well... if you and some more who voted for your candidate actually did some research on your candidate, instead of drinking your candidate's kool-aid, he wouldn't be OUR president-elect.

HERE are the fictional Marxists you're talking about. Ever hear of Saul Alinsky? His fictional son praised Obama after his win in the Democrat convention by saying Obama learned the lessons of his father well. So an unknown learned the lessons of a Marxist activist well enough to beat someone as entrenched as Hillary Clinton. Then he goes on preaching his 'change', also straight out of the Alinsky handbook, to beat McCain in a landslide.

Saul Alinsky’s son: “Obama learned his lesson well”

If you're going to call something fictional, please be prepared to back it up, or get torn down. Just because you love a candidate, doesn't mean he/she isn't without their fault. Obama had enough faults to cause a generation to goose-step; and ppl chose to ignore them. Keep counting on CNN and MSNBC for the facts, and he'll likely be elected God! Do your own homework.
 

jrcarroll

Expert Expediter
Oh and be sure to watch for the $.50 a gallon increase in our fuel tax that they promised. That should help your business. Layoutshooter

Whole hearted agreement with that. Also...
your freedom of speach will be taken away.
your right to own a gun.
Home schooling will become a thing of the past.

Heres one to look at. Even though no talk was done on or about the trucking industry, I see this happening.
"He" will quickly inact into law the mandatory use of the black boxes in trucks and also the speed limiter, as now has been done to our neighbors to the north. (No one will out run JB Hunt)

Spreading the wealth will be the death of us. Tax the rich, the big corporations and where will the cost be passed down to?? To every one. Or we will see many business closing.

!! your gains will be passed on to everyone.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Care to hazard a guess on the No. 1 growth industry in the US for say, oh ...... the last mebbe 8 or 15 years ..... ?

The "government"; federal, state and local currently employs 16% of the workforce. Odds are that this recession proof industry will continue to grow at a fast pace over the next 4 years. Look at how it expanded under 8 years of Bush, who was anti big government.

The people have spoken. The under educated, the low income and the people who feel the only way to survive is to become a ward of the state have prevailed.

As for the union thing; I'm sure glad I hung onto my Jimmy Hoffa decoder ring.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I woke up this morning and looked out my window. Off to the east I seen a

"RED DAWN" rising. Welcome to the United Soviet Socialist States of America. Where freedom is rejected and freedom loving people are scorned. Layoutshooter
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
Don't give up hope, Mid Term Elections are two years away. Don't forget most of these Elected officials are\were Lawyers in a former life. Some things the Republicans will be able to stall for awhile.
 
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Turtle

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Retired Expediter
I've made it pretty clear that I'm not an Obama fan. Not even a little bit. But I really gotta laugh at the ignorant knee-jerk reactions I've been reading here. It's both hilarious, and pathetic. The election is over, the results are in. Your only option is to learn to live with it. How you do that is up to you, but if you don't want to be, or be perceived by others to be, a grumpy senile old fart wacko, you'd do well to actually do a litle research into what happened, and why.

Has no one taken a close look at what's going on, analyzed who voted and why, and taken in the reactions from people around the world, both peasants and leaders, both praise and concerns, over what must happen next with Obama and the country? Has no one really taken a look at the reactions here in this country? Or are you just content with burying your head in the sand while you pound sand?

The far left and the far right are, by all accounts, fanatical zealots who generally fail at critical thinking and reasoning. It's the independents, the center of the country, the moderates both left and right of center, that are generally the most intelligent, well reasoned and least emotional about issues. And it's those same independents and moderates that turned towards Obama, in droves. You really, really need to figure out why that is. I know it's easier to wallow in your own self pity and keep on bіtching, griping, moaning and whining like someone рee'd in you Cheerios, but if you don't figure out what happened, and why, then while you're crying in your Cheerios, then whatever it is that you fear most is likely to happen before you even know it.

Incidentally, Obama is a Socialist, not a Marxist. Anyone who has studied Marxism for 20 years would know that in an instant. Me thinks thou doth protest too much, <nameless, but you know who you are>, as you keep on posting essentially the same message over and over in nearly every thread you participate in of late. One could make an argument that it's SPAM, and another argument could be made for mental instability. Another argument could be made that it's a way to disguise pure racism under the moniker of Marxism, as the spewed-forth hatred we read here about Marxism, is the same as that of racism.

In any case, does no one here understand how world politics operate in the 21st century? The grand conspiracy theories are entertaning, but they fall apart when closely examined under the bright lights of reality. In order for Socialism, and certainly Marxism to be employed in this country would necessitate many things that cannot, or certainly will not happen, like the complete dismantling of the three branches of government for starters. Obama may be able to be a Socialist as a State Senator, and as a US Sentator, but if he tries to govern as a US President as a Socialist he will fail, utterly, both here and on the world stage. Not only will We the People not allow that, neither will the rest of the world, as they have too much at stake to let it happen.

The US isn't as powerful as it used to be, but it is still quite powerful, and if we're in trouble, so is the rest of the world, something the rest of the world is very well aware of. The world doesn't revolve around us, not like it used to, and you guys had better realize that. Everything we do here, everything Obama does as President, will have ramifications both here and abroad. Everything. And the world is watching. You have no idea how close the world is watching.

Obama will have to govern left of center, far more moderately than he has ever voted, if he is to be any kind of success at all. And he knows that. No question that he will introduce some Socialist programs, same as any liberal Democrat would, and some will work and some won't, but don't kid yourself for a second if you think he has the power, or the following, to completely reconceptualize, rebuild from the ground up, a new Marxist State in the pure form of Marxism. It's never been done before, every. Why people think Obama can pull it off under the constraints of checks and balances and under the very watchful eye of an armed populace (irrational fears notwithstanding), I have no idea.

You can't have Marxism and have a president at the same time. Can't be done. He'd have to completely tear down all three branches of government, including the presidency itself, as well as the entire concept of individual states that are based upon anything other than worker productivity, as that is one of the basic tenets of Marxism. Yes, Marxism is a version of Socialism, but it's a very advanced and far more brutal form. Obama feels that capitalism concentrates wealth (and power) into too few hands, and thus wants to redistribute that wealth, which is nearly the textbook definition of Modern Socialism.

I'm about as big a fan of Socialism as I am Obama. But I can at least look at things pragmatically, objectively, and I can at least make the attempt to see things from the perspective of the big picture and how it all fits into the world at large, and it fits in with what needs to happen to this country to get it back up and running. And I can look at his Socialist agenda and see how he will be thoroughly unable to implement it as he would probably like to, and recognize the reasons that he can't.

Or, I could just sit back, whine, maybe make a few tough-sounding but hollow sophomoric threats, and let the world roll over me, all the while deluding myself into thinking that I know what happened.
 
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LDB

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Retired Expediter
I enjoy the posts of those who can take the time to write an involved response. I don't always agree with all of them but I do like them. I no longer have the patience to do so. I don't know if I'm just curmudgeonly now or what, but whatever it is, good for those who have the temperament for it. My short version of the answer to the analysis of what's going on, who and why is stupidity. The number of voters too stupid to be allowed to vote outnumbered those not too stupid. It has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with political party. It has only to do with enough intelligence to look beyond race and party at character, relationships, positions, and history. Sadly, those things aren't taught in schools or homes as they should be so we have a society of stupid people, growing all the time. Add to that the millions of criminal aliens casting their vote for socialism and this is what we get. Stupidity. That's the short answer.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
If telling the truth is pounding sand I wasn't aware of that but guess I'll continue to pound sand then.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
No, a quick glance and you'll see stupidity. But if you look closer, you'll see a lot of smart people went from Independent Center to the left (as well as a large percentage of those PUMA voters that Chef was counting on). Are you aware that the number of first-time voters in this election was just about the same as it was 4 years ago, and 8 years ago? (that surprised me, actually) The difference is in how they voted, in the percentages. Traditionally first-time voters are about 53-46 in favor of the Democrat, but this year it was more than two-thirds for the Democrat.

The most common comments from 18-29 year old voters were along the lines of, "He has to be both pro-worker as well as pro-business, because without the business we won't be able to get a job." That's not stupidity, that's another generation thinking clearly. And they plan to hold him to that.

One gem of a quote came from a girl, a junior at Ohio State from Dayton: "I'm sure the Teamsters or the UAW will try and take credit for him winning, not only in Ohio but everywhere. Yet they're the ones that have priced the US auto industry out of the world market. We need jobs first and foremost, not more pay for the few jobs that are still here. We need incentives for businesses to remain here instead of outsourcing."

That is not the comments of a starry-eyed voter bedazzled into stupidity by the Obama brilliance. That's the youth of America seeing things how they are. If I didn't know otherwise, I'd say her comments came from a conservative, but she voted for Obama. Stupid? I dunno. She sounded awfully well informed and intelligent to me.

She also said that her biggest concern about Obama is his lack of experience and him lacking qualification for the job, but she hoped that his decision-making in the campaign, and how well organized and focused it was, would translate into the White House. It was a comment echoed by at least two others interviewed.

So even those who voted for him don't think he's qualified, but they have hope that he will be. That's a leader any way you wanna cut it. I just hope he don't screw the pooch.

Time will tell, but this may very well turn out to be one of those "pivot point" elections I was talking about (and so brilliantly predicted lol). Right before the mortgage crisis and bailout, McCain had pulled to nearly a tie with Obama, then the crash and bailout happened. It happened on the watch of the Republicans, and it was something that McCain simply couldn't overcome. Not enough voters had confidence in him or the Republican party to fix it.

This election showed the American people have had enough of experts allowing things to go to pot when they should have recognized it and prevented it. We've had 8 years of that, and McCain represented more of the same. No reason to think he'd change it.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
I didn't say it was 100% stupidity but for each of the gems you mined there is a lot of nearly valueless aggregate. "I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying for my mortgage. If I help him, he'll help me." That's another from the same population sample you cite who brings far less intelligence to the discussion. I will say that one brings perhaps even more optimism than yours. No, for the majority it's abject stupidity and nothing more. For the minority it's intelligence lacking in enough maturity and judgment to properly utilize it.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
"No, for the majority it's abject stupidity and nothing more. For the minority it's intelligence lacking in enough maturity and judgment to properly utilize it."

I disagree. It's like in baseball, every year you're gonna win 61 and you're gonna lose 61, the key is what you do with the other 40 games that counts. In a presidential election, it's (usually) gonna be 42% for the right, 43% for the left, and it's that 15% in the middle that determines things. The insanely stoopid comments come from either one of the 40 percenters. But that 15% tends to be the most critical and cautious, both in their thinking and to the election. And that's where the difference in this election was. Surely you know that a republican cannot win without the Independents, right? Or very rarely, anyway. There are a lot of stupid people out there, but not many of them are Independents.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Well, those with the rings in thier noses are far easier to lead around. I don't have one. I cannot and will not be rulled by this the first marxist elected to the office. A man of few talents and no experience in anything. The man who never held a job. Sounds like a movie title. Layoutsshooter
 

BillChaffey

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Owner/Operator
US Navy
With the way President George Bush ran our Country into the ground, the Democrats could have had "Buckwheat" for a candidate and won the election. It's done & over and now we need to live with it.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Living with it all depends how extreme he'll be. Would you 'live with it' if they held a gun to your head or threatened your livelihood? The first example may be extreme; but it gets the point across that we don't have to 'live with it' if things get tyrannical. That's what revolutions are for.
 

jrcarroll

Expert Expediter
With the way President George Bush ran our Country into the ground, the Democrats could have had "Buckwheat" for a candidate and won the election. It's done & over and now we need to live with it.

How is that possible? George was the president. The house and senete are the ones who pass the rules and regulations. Why do people always blame the president for everything when he is just the figurehead!
Place the blame where it belongs.:eek:
 
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