$1.40 per mile?

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Really just a question for the members.

Read in the Fedex forum a debate on whether a $1.40 per mile FSC included is a "good rate" for a run that is say 1000 miles and stays in the freight lanes.
This is figuring a standard dry van load.

Thought it may be a misprint but maybe not, so I thought I would ask.

Do folks think this is now a "good rate" for straight trucks?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Really just a question for the members.

Read in the Fedex forum a debate on whether a $1.40 per mile FSC included is a "good rate" for a run that is say 1000 miles and stays in the freight lanes.
This is figuring a standard dry van load.

Thought it may be a misprint but maybe not, so I thought I would ask.

Do folks think this is now a "good rate" for straight trucks?


Nope, it was not a good rate 6 years ago when fuel was a lot lower than it is today. It is a VERY bad rate now. Not much better than DH money.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Nope, it was not a good rate 6 years ago when fuel was a lot lower than it is today. It is a VERY bad rate now. Not much better than DH money.

Well I wasn't sure after reading those posts. Every one's cost to operate will vary, but I was surprised that was interpreted as a "not a great run" but "a good one". If one was adding this to a load already on the truck it might be ok, but it just kind of surprised me.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
That's an all miles rate.
As I pointed out in another thread that at Express 1 that load would pay $1.42 ($1.12 + $.30 FSC) for the loaded miles only. If it had 10% deadhead and only paid the 900 loaded miles it would average out at $1.278 all miles.
$1.40 all miles in the freight lanes is an OK rate for a dry van load in my opinion.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Well I wasn't sure after reading those posts. Every one's cost to operate will vary, but I was surprised that was interpreted as a "not a great run" but "a good one". If one was adding this to a load already on the truck it might be ok, but it just kind of surprised me.

I would take $1.40 IF I needed to get home and it was headed that way, better than DH.

I like to get AT LEAST $1.60 for dry freight. More if it has "add on's".

Everyone has different ideas, I think that many out here are far too willing to run cheap. That is contributing to the rates going down.

Our's were doing fairly good at the beginning of the year. They are not now. Dropping fast.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I can tell you that with my new truck, i am getting ST loads that have paid me $1.28 all miles including FSC...There is no way i would invest in the type of ST I would want for myself for another $.12 a mile with the expenses that go along with running a ST and the "regulations" verses my expenses ans rules...there is just no way....:rolleyes:
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
. Every one's cost to operate will vary, but I was surprised that was interpreted as a "not a great run" but "a good one". .

Variable costs are what they are, it's not mach in most cases, and if the business is being run on an quarterly base they are even somewhat predicted.

fixed costs are being evenly spreads over the amount of revenue being paid to the truck, and again, can be somewhat predicted over time.
the more paid for mil. ones gets, the less those costs impact the Pay Per Mil (PPM).

the big questions is how mach of those 1.40PPM is going right back to the DH%/carrier deduction/fuel pump/repair shop, Ext.

if one is running a truck at 25%Dh, have huge carrier fixed deductions,gets poor fuel millage,big truck payments,expect the load to pay for his retirement and children funds,(or even the ridiculously truck replacement), Ext. - then NO, that's not going to be enough.
if a team truck only move 26,000paid for/loaded mil a quarter - then NO...

i can run my Hino day in and day out for that, and personally know a few that do just that. i am considering many of them to be some of the finest Expediters out there, if only for the fact that they know what it takes to run a truck, keep operations costs low. and keep the box full with good paying freight.

charging any more then that is simply pricing oneself out of the market. in many cases more needs to be charged to provide exceptional services offered by the CARRIER.
this is falling EXACTLY into CharlesD question from a month ago : (dose the rate pay for the truck or for the freight? )
in this case you might be asking :
'dose the rate pay for the load or for the services ?'
there is a rezone why many shippers choose to stay away from carriers that provide exceptional service - if one don't need that service why pay for it ?

if your truck is being able to ship 20,000 pound of frozen nuclear waist, then you'll get broke hauling automotive's or baseball cups.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Ahh my $1.28 is for ALL miles also....Now i am the 1st to admit, what is happening for me personally is the truck i have as a "tweener" and the carrier I am with using my truck to everyones advantage...it certainly isn't the norm...but it is happening for me and...with no DOT regs and hours of service rules and the ability to go anywhere i want and park and enjoy the sights without added expense and a long list of other things that make it the best choice for me....
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
I would have made 4899 bucks for 2788 miles,but I went 300 extra miles out of route to go home,and was there 3 days.Can you take an expedite load home for 3 days,bet not.At With the fuel mileage a straight truck gets,doesnt seem to me complaing of 1.40 for all miles is all that bad.I get sometimes a little over 6 mpg,but when I'm running 80000 gross weight which is most the time im under the 6 mpg and my expenses a far above what a straight truck is.No, I couldnt make it at !.40 mpg,but I'm in a brand new tractor with a payment that is outrages,but I'm making alot more than the 1.40/mile.
THe real problem is,when I was in expediting,expediting pay isn't about miles,but pay,and at 1.40 per mile,your going to have to run more miles,but are there going to be enough miles to keep you in the money your use too
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
At $1.40, including FSC, in my straight truck, I would go broke. I average 10.5MPG. It is far too low.
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
Compare to a Sprinter?

My last 9 loads have been, to the truck, including FSC, (loaded miles only)

$1.26
$2.56
$2.63
$1.26
$1.35
$1.43
$1.26
$2.03
$1.26

You see that $1.26 keeps popping up? .. We have an inhouse shipper, that is their standard rate .... but they offer a lot of freight in the area I wish to travel.

I get almost 20mpg ... so I would say no, $1.40 for a straight truck is not enough, unless it is ALL miles.
 

DieselDriver

Seasoned Expediter
I have an 07' Freightliner straight truck that gets 10.6 mpg and $1.40 including fsc is not enough...considering the company that I drive for takes 39% of the load right off the top...due to the companies paying less and taking more we are all going broke slowly as they continue to make profit at our expense.
If any one out there is making more and getting good miles, let me know...i'm looking to make a move...
 

denny2010

Expert Expediter
thats way i couldnt stay solo in my straight truck. rates are low have to fight to get a good rate. sometimes it works and some times it dont....get to greedy and lose the load and wait for another. my truck only got 9.5 mpg. if in neutral going down hill with a tail wind......lol
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
How many miles at those rates?

I would assume they are over 350 - I think he's in a box van ... opps he posted just as I was working on this post.

Anywho I've had them where they are a 1000 miles but with multiple drops with days to complete at those top rates. The rates are there if the company wants to get them.
 
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Jason2

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Like i said earlier, I'm not driving any more,but I don't see where any one can run a S/T for less than $2.00 or more or a T/T for less than $3.00 per mile. The way I look at it none of you could be making money at these prices. I know I'm opening a can of worms but if ya'll would band together you could make to shippers or carriers pay more.
I used to drive a S/t for a local firm that run all thier stuff to Chatanooga, I know what fuel and maintance costs were.
 
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