1.20 /mile expedite freight

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Guido,
Steve is in a different category altogether which in a way makes his numbers not equal to mine or someone else's. E units seem to be the one thing on the road that can capture freight from all levels, even though they operated at a higher cost, they also get a higher revenue in this market.


Is having a truck with all if that extra added equipment really worth it in the end?


I mean, does all of the extra stuff like a liftgate, reefer, etc really make that much more money in the end?


Even with all the extra added costs and time involved maintaining it?


Do you come out any further ahead than a regular straight truck?

Not really.

Just because you are fully "qualified", have everything that a truck can ever have doesn't mean you will have the freight to use it all.

I was told a while ago that if I can't get 5 reefer loads a month, every month, it isn't worth having the thing.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
Those kind of numbers bring back some memories, that's for sure.I kinda like the van thing alot better now that I have been doing it for a year.

But a question I must ask, and please do not be offended by it, cause I have a bad habit of doing that to people unintentionally.

Is having a truck with all if that extra added equipment really worth it in the end? I mean, I had a truck with all of the latest technology and options (generator, rooftop a/c, shower and bathroom,sink,and anything else) and it always seemed like the more I had on it, the more time I was spending away from my Ex-Finance and home because of always having a repair or just maintenance downtime.I mean, does all of the extra stuff like a liftgate, reefer, etc really make that much more money in the end? Even with all the extra added costs and time involved maintaining it? Do you come out any further ahead than a regular straight truck? Just wondering, that's all.

Hope youre all having a great weekend, by the way.

All that extra stuff gives you a better chance of staying loaded, especially out of slow areas. The pay is much higher and if you stay busy mile for mile you will make more money even with the added expenses, maintenance and start up costs. The customers demand a higher level of service and there is more labor involved.
When we made the switch from contract driver to owner operator we decided to keep it simple and go with a dry van, no bells and whistles. The reason was simple too. A fully equipped TVAL truck was out of our price range as we wanted to pay cash and keep our overhead down.
We are doing well and satisfied with the pay and miles we are running.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"Just because you are fully "qualified", have everything that a truck can ever have doesn't mean you will have the freight to use it all.

I was told a while ago that if I can't get 5 reefer loads a month, every month, it isn't worth having the thing."[/QUOTE]


True, but it has keep us running. Most of our work is due to our extra qualifications. 75% of our loads this year have been reefer loads and 50% of those have been TVAL.

I most likely would not have another reefer truck again unless we got it like we did this one. It was a repo and we got it cheaper than what a new dry box truck would cost. The reefer breaks even for the most part but keeps the truck running when many others are sitting. One thing for sure, having all the qualifications makes for some interesting freight. It is NOT boring.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
All that extra stuff gives you a better chance of staying loaded, especially out of slow areas.

But that's not always the case.

If the carrier can't produce the work in slow times because there isn't anything out there but general freight in that area, then there is no advantage.

The one thing that comes to mind is if the carrier picks a "qualified" truck over those who are not "qualified".

Layout,
If you have a dry box, and maybe a lift gate, would you still be working?

OVM, different subject.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
But that's not always the case.

If the carrier can't produce the work in slow times because there isn't anything out there but general freight in that area, then there is no advantage.

The one thing that comes to mind is if the carrier picks a "qualified" truck over those who are not "qualified".

Layout,
If you have a dry box, and maybe a lift gate, would you still be working?

OVM, different subject.


Don't know if we would be working with just a dry box and lift gate since we are a reefer truck. It does seem, at least to us, that when the general freight trucks are not moving, we are. Much of the freight that we carry is not always tied to the economy. There is a lot of freight, much of which requires special equipment or qualifications, that always moves.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Then it goes right back to this;

It all depends on the company.

Seeing that FedEx does keep you loaded, they either are working hard to capture that freight or taking it from others or are tapping other areas of the company.

Other companies may not do that, and that is where I am going with this.

Only so many can be FedEx contractors, and only so many can be Tval/WG/Reefer trucks within that fleet so keeping say 80 trucks moving is easier than the other 160 trucks.

See what I'm saying?

But back to the original OP's question.

The base pay should be all the same and the pay for added features should added as needed, not structured in because of what the truck has on it. This goes hand in hand with the company being proactive in seeking out work for those high value trucks.

As for tval, that's a funny thing because every reefer truck should go through a validation process.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't know why some trucks choose to be TVAL and others do not. Cost for up keep and equipment would be my guess. I do know that not all shippers require TVAL and don't want to pay for that service. My guess would be that no all freight requires that kind of close tolerance temp control or the kind of records TVAL produces. Some of it may be due to government regs. Some due to the nature of the freight. It does not seem to be tied to the value of the freight.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The last time this one was in under FedEx, I had to have it validated.

I have to have a PM on my TCU and have my probes checked by a FDCC certified shop every 6 months. I have to do a full TVAL text at FDCC every 18 months. We also both have to take a TVAL class every 18 months, when the truck is tested.

A plain reefer truck is required a TCU PM once a year and does not have probes to be checked. I don't know what classes, if any, they must take. I don't know the situation with you truck, I know nothing about your truck.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
At the end of the day, it winds up being the same money or giving a slight edge to the dry box.
Why? Because the investment coupled with the added expenses of a reefer can't keep up unless the initial investment (truck bought used) is factored in.
No rocket science. If you spend twice as much on the investment, then the rate of return should be close to double. Not really the case as we found with having reefers at both the Fed and at Panther.
We found for the loads we gained, we lost just as many due to weight, liftgate or dimension issues.
And even sometimes they would lock you without a load because a customer MIGHT need you.
Changed the way we operate and the revenue from the dry boxes surpassed anything we did with a reefer truck.
Ever wonder why most independents don't run a reefer truck?
Because they aren't trying to complicate the simple.
Same reason dealers don't have them on their lots for sale.

As for 1.20 freight, I am mindful that many carriers are operating below that number. Many are running under a dollar mile. As I have told in another post, we lost a load to a Fedex reefer truck in OK. Our offer cancelled only to find out that the Fedex truck parked next to us took it for far cheaper than we would haul it for. Panther lost the bid on that one.
There is always someone that will haul it cheaper regardless of the carrier. Doesn't hurt from time to time to see how cheap some of the "bottom feeder" budget carriers are actually hauling for.

There is my penny in the pond.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I have come to believe that full-featured, TVAl, White Glove trucks are best viewed not by their component parts but as a package.

We have a reefer but not every load we haul is a reefer load. We are TVAL qualified but not every load we haul is a TVAL load. We have a lift gate but not every load we haul requires a lift gate. We have furniture pads but not every load we haul is a pad-wrap load. Some loads are reefer/pad wrap. Some are TVAL lift gate. Some are lift gate only. How do you price any component into a load when you carry the component all the time but use it only some of the time?

When you get down to it, White Glove trucks don't do a lot of anything. They do a little of this and a little of that, with the financial result totaled at month-end, quarter end, and year-end. Saying it costs you X amount to buy this component and Y amount to maintain that component misses important aspects of White Glove work.

Example: We recently took a load that delivered in Oklahoma City on a Friday. OKC is not known as a good express center and there is not a good express center close by.

Immediately after delivery, we were dispatched to pick up good-paying freight on Saturday, 620 miles away and deliver it on Monday, 1,650 miles away.

To what do we attribute that load? It was a reefer load so do we attribute it to the reefer? It was a dock-high load a B-unit could not carry so do we attribute it to our Class 8 CR-unit (though a Class 7 CR-unit could have done the load too)?

Other aspects enter in. The run was straight through, so do we attribute the load to the fact that we are a team-driven truck? Security protocols were priced into the load, so do we attribute the load to the driver clearances? Oh yeah. The run went to Canada, so do we attribute the load to our willingness to enter Canada?

The liftgate was not used on this load but it was a White Glove load. Was the lift gate dead weight and a wasted investment? Or was the lift gate an essential component of this run since all White Glove trucks are required to have lift gates to be White Glove trucks in the first place (some exceptions).

What about the fact that without the above-mentioned components, used in that particular combination, we would have very likely have been laid over in OKC for the weekend or may have had to deadhead a long distance to a better express center? These components give our truck more reach than trucks that do not have them. How much is that reach worth and how do you quantify that as a benefit in your cost/benefit analysis?

Do you see what I mean? Because there are so many aspects to serving White Glove customers, and some of them have nothing to do with the truck but with the drivers, it is impossible to accurately assess the costs and benefits of a specific component on a White Glove truck.

If the only service you offered was moving freight from point A to point B the value of specific truck components could be more easily evaluated. When you offer the White Glove package of services, some of which have nothing to do with the truck, the truck and team together is the package to focus on.

Because all aspects are not considered, focusing on individual components is an exercise in futility. Human capital MUST be considered but because it is an intangible, it is difficult to quantify.

This holds true even in operations where the service is simply to move freight from point A to point B with an ordinary truck. Two trucks may cost the same and haul the same freight but if one driver (human capital) has better customer relations and marketing skills than the other, that driver may do better. So too if one driver has a heavy foot and the other does not, or if one driver takes more time off than the other.

A driver with good busines skills may do well in a truck of any kind where a driver who is poorly equipped in the brain power and work ethic department will likely operate at a loss and fail. Profitably operating a truck has far more to do with the driver than with the equipment in question.

If that were not so, all operators of high-end trucks would fail and all operators of low-cost trucks would succeed.
 
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TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
Wow Phil great response as some loads you just never know the why of it all.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
In a nut shell,having a truck that is capable of hauling anything FDCC has to offer,is a plus.This will get you loaded when another may sit for long periods of a time.Is it worth the initial investment,well it will keep you busier.Will your bottom line be better,only time will tell.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
$1.20? Is that per loaded mile all inclusive? Per loaded mile plus fsc? Average for all miles? That may be a good rate and it may be a bad rate. Does the vehicle hauling it cost 83cpm to operate or 51cpm to operate? Is all the money going into one pocket or being split? It all depends on the many variables that factor in whether it's a good or bad rate.
 

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
Ever wonder why most independents don't run a reefer truck?
Because they aren't trying to complicate the simple.
Same reason dealers don't have them on their lots for sale.



There is my penny in the pond.

I'm sure not growing my "small carrier" by trying to run reefer freight, let alone hazmat. Any truck with me would have to run either of those back to back in order to justify the expense of liability insurance, much less equipment. We stay ahead by doing liftgate, blanket wrap and other special handling loads when needed, in order to get ahead. Plus, I'm just a real nice guy on the phone. :D
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I'm sure not growing my "small carrier" by trying to run reefer freight, let alone hazmat. Any truck with me would have to run either of those back to back in order to justify the expense of liability insurance, much less equipment. We stay ahead by doing liftgate, blanket wrap and other special handling loads when needed, in order to get ahead. Plus, I'm just a real nice guy on the phone. :D

That is what we found over time. They did justify the means at one time when rates were considerably higher and expenses were less. Too many get focused on the gross revenue and not the other long list of associated costs. I do agree with Phil in one respect in that it is hard to qualify a certain item with a dollar amount. Much like a bank, I just look at the entire investment verses the historic revenue that was brought in. No emotional ties/accolades or anything like that.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
I found that a curtainside coupled with a liftgate worked way best for us. You could haul box or flatbed (or both), without a tremendous investment, or, the baggage (ins, upkeep, etc.) that a reefer brings. Problem is....finding enough drivers that like to throw chains, straps etc. It's tuff enough just to find drivers that like opening the box doors these days.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I'm sure not growing my "small carrier" by trying to run reefer freight, let alone hazmat. Any truck with me would have to run either of those back to back in order to justify the expense of liability insurance, much less equipment. We stay ahead by doing liftgate, blanket wrap and other special handling loads when needed, in order to get ahead. Plus, I'm just a real nice guy on the phone. :D

That goes to choosing your market and positioning yourself in it. Success in trucking includes configuring your equipment and yourself for the market you serve.

There are many markets within expediting and more in the larger trucking industry. Just because trucker A cannot succeed in a particular market segment, it does not mean that trucker B, C, D and E cannot do well.

Reefer, dry van, straight truck, semi, cargo van, team, solo, blah, blah, blah...name any segment of trucking and you can find top producers succeeding in it.
 
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