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What melting pot? We don't have one here. Australia maybe ... Canada maybe but I don't see it here ... it seems to be another cliche we create to feel good about ourselves.

But they did win, they won big time and it seems our arrogance has proven we can't see it or deal with it.

Hey here is a novel idea, sue those who called in the first place. Don't bother just with the cops because they were responding to the calls, but those who called have a hand in violating rights too. Maybe we also need to reexamine what the role of law enforcement should be and how...

Nope wasn't giving any of that stuff the acknowledgment that they were seeking by watching any of it. It seemed the programming of that day was lopsided between the 9/11 stuff and everything else with everything else winning.

Well I'm trying to figure out where these civilized societies exist, not what AMonger is trying to say. I got his message, and like mine, I differ on the idea what society should and should not do. I don't see anything outside the abstract world of political ideology or books like Brave New...

If it works for some, then it works for some. The problem is this - we only assume what is going on there, meaning how many come and go, how many don't like flat rate and how many are percentage. Without the numbers, without the facts, no one can speculate on how much it impacts their...

Thanks t, but I didn't see a thing on the news or radio, just the 9/11 stuff. I guess the war is over and the taliban is going to open up fast food joints in Kabal.

I think we were saying the same thing. Ban the van.

[/COLOR][/SIZE] I'm trying to figure out where there is a civilized society in today's world that can qualify that statement.

Nope not deciding a thing, you are making it out like that because you accept that behavior, you are defending something that is being criticizes as a problem in this industry. No matter what, if the oversized load scraped the bed of the trailer, it is just cause to call the cops. It isn't...

Really? Where are all of these vans and trucks? I used to count maybe ten or twelve going down I80 but the last time I counted, I counted four. So there again is the problem, everything is supposed to revolve around an group, a small segment of the market and that is an indicator of the...

Oh but let's put this into another point of view, where is congress and especially the people on this matter? I don't see the news talking about what happened In Afghanistan Saturday, but all kinds of stuff to remember what we're there for fighting. We seem to worry about this and not ask...

Maybe the judge needs to enforce the laws about frivolous law suits?

It is the same standard that people used to have when they saw something happen to other's equipment, they didn't sit there with a finger up their *** and do nothing. He did nothing to correct the poor driving of the driver, so he shouldn't complain about it here. IF it was you with your van...

Really? Didn't call the cops or anything - I just posted something about how it is our fault that we have lower standards in this industry and this is a perfect example.

Where is there a current surplus of contractors? In the industry or the niche market? If we are talking about the niche market part of the industry, yes but we don't all derive our work from there and haven't for a while. The surplus really does not have anything to do with the rates...

Cheri, I can see your points but remember that until people were told they were living in poverty by those who "knew better", many accepted their situation and worked within those limitations. No matter how you want to put it into a positive light, the premise of Social Security was...

Wow what a revelation. I said this four years ago and was told I was full of it, but it seems that it is a reality. I actually think that it is tilted in favor of the shipper or broker, not the carrier. The access to the resources for shipping has expanded a lot in the last 3 years, and that...

Well I am going to bring this up again. Cheap freight is relative to the person driving, not a standard in the industry. So if you want to service a customer, give quality service and utilize the equipment to it fullest extent at the same time bringing in maximum revenue, then all freight...

Well there is a specific reason for that word and that paragraph in the form I used. Someone else got it, you may not. By the way, if wikipedia is so bad, what use it at all?