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  1. Turtle

    Wow 20 years!

    I'm back to driving 80,000 miles a year again. Did DoorDash for a year and a half, along with Uber Eats, and it was fun. Made decent money. But now instead of hauling stuff in boxes banded to skids, I'm hauling mostly drunk bags of mostly water banded to seats. Doing Uber, mostly overnight...
  2. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    And reading the results of straw polls and surveys and stuff.
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    The Trump Card...

    The "real point" they're trying to make is indeed calling out hypocrisy. The point is, if you dismissed the rather serious security breach of Hillary's emails as 'no big deal, nothing to see here,' them you have zero credibility when you throw a full-on, 3 year old, grocery store candy aisle...
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    The Trump Card...

    Whataboutism is indeed a logical fallacy so it's usually a very weak argument in debate. However, in some contexts, politics often being one of them, whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy. Unfortunately in politics, accurately nailing...
  5. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Oh, it's reckless. Call it irresponsible, if you like. But those documents were found in unauthorized locations without proper security. Well, yeah. Of course. He conducted presidential business at Mar-a-Lago, oftentimes with classified materials.
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    The Trump Card...

    Soooooo, Trump, as President, was intentional, and Biden and Pence, as Vice Presidents, were reckless? Is that what in the so-tell you are saying?
  7. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Well, I've said it in this thread at least twice. And was challenged on it like I was making it up. Every president since Truman and every vice president since Barkley has taken classified documents with them to another place. The National Archives and the DOJ have historically patiently waited...
  8. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Like I said before, topics like security clearance and associated information catches my attention. I pay attention to casual blurb mentions in news stories, I've read books that discussed clearances, I had to complete training materials when I got my clearance that mentioned, specifically, as...
  9. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    In and of itself, no. The SCIF itself plays no role at all, since it was not functional as a SCIF, and it's why Trump didn't cite the SCIF in excusing the documents being at Mar-a-Lago. The legal questions are many, but chief among them are whether Trump believed they were his personal...
  10. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    No one expects anyone to be aware of everything, so it's understandable that you might have missed it. Every President's vacation home since JFK has had a SCIF installed. Any place a president routinely handles or discusses classified material has a SCIF, either long term or temporary. The...
  11. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

  12. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Yes, it's entirely nonsensical, because Trump's "resort closet" resides inside an official SCIF (sensitive compartmented information facility) at Mar-a-Lago, not his "personal digs." Biden has an office in his home set up as a SCIF, unfortunately not a square inch of his garage is contained...
  13. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Just keep in mind that whenever you read or here "inadvertently misplaced" know it's being used to indicate no ill-intent or nefarious motive on Biden's part, compared to Trump's Hitleresque evil. But "inadvertently misplaced" is literally a euphemism for "carelessly handled."
  14. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    That sounds like something that would be said on The View, frankly. The FBI didn't find what they wanted to find at Mar-a-Lago, so Garland appointed a special investigator in the hopes of digging up or manufacturing something on Trump. He isn't looking for anything on Biden, does not plan to...
  15. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    And you believe that? The guy who told us his lawyers didn't want him to ask about the documents is the same guy who said he was in the dark about all of Hunter's business dealings. The same guy who was appointed to the Naval Academy the same year that he graduated from the University of...
  16. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    The last tally I recall is 16 people who worked at the think tank being employed in the Biden administration for the last couple of years, including our current Secretary of State. Soooo, the answer to the question of when did "the government" find out about the classified documents at the think...
  17. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    ... except the Hunter Biden laptop was absolutely positively confirmed to be Russian propaganda, Trump was elected because of Russian interference, Trump insulted the military by calling them “suckers and losers,” and Trump is literally Hitler, and all that came from confirmed, trusted sources...
  18. Turtle

    The Trump Card...

    Every President since Truman and every Vice President since Alben W Barkley has taken home classified materials, intentionally or unintentionally. Both the President and Vice President have classification (and declassification) authority. The only limitation on the Vice President is he (or she)...
  19. Turtle

    What's Going on in the US House of Representatives?

    Fighting between political parties is so normal it's boring, but fighting within a party to force rule changes that are good for the American people, that's impressive, and a good thing. Made it easier to replace their own leader, good. Individual bills instead of an omnibus bill, good.
  20. Turtle

    What's Going on in the US House of Representatives?

    Truly historic is the 1855/1856 that lasted from December, 1855 through February 2, 1856 where 133 ballots were cast until finally a Speaker was chosen. 21 people started out running for Speaker, and politics in those days were much more bitter than they are today. The chief issues in 1866 were...
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