Ya really gotta wonder why they're all tryin' soooooo hard ....
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Good piece by Justin Raimondo (with lotsa good linkage) that details the exact nature of the problem (along with a fund-raising pitch):
The Media Is the Enemy
Of peace, liberty, and the truth
The Media Is the Enemy
Of peace, liberty, and the truth
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
if people would only listen to the messages . but to many cant get past the one that is giving the message .
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
1 you called people crackpots not me
2 so it is ok for you to call others names but dont call you a name .
3 i plan on it
tbubster
Seasoned Expediter
Ron Paul on Earmarks and Term Limits - YouTube
Talks about how bad earmarks are wasteful spending and how he is against them even votes against them .Yet he puts them earmarks in the bills because he knows they will pass anyway.Now if a person truly is against the wastefull spending then he would not attach the earmarks to the bills to began with.Hypercritical at its finest!
IMHO when you say something to the like this
Yahoo! Video Detail for Ron Paul on Illegal Immigration
I have to question how tough he will really be on immigration
Ron paul say he is against abortion yet he also says he is ok with it if the states say it is ok.The state governmet can tell you what is right/wrong but not the federal government.He even voted against a bill that would have made it illegle to for an adult such as a teacher/coach/ overage boyfriend /pedophile to take a minor across state lines for an abortion with out parental consent.
Another thing that always gets him on the national level was his stance against the 1964 civil rights act.There is no way the left will leave this that out this time around.I mean think about it on the 40th anniversary of the civil rights act in 2004 Paul had this to say the civil rights act violated the constitution and reduced the individual liberty.Now I know he had more then that to say But face it,running against Obama that will be his biggest downfall.Can anyone say MLK day??????
Gay marriage,He is against it but only on the federal level this is another issue that is important to both sides.This is also a issue that on a state level he changes his stance.Nope no flip flopping there!
In 2004 paul talked about the war powers act and how important it was that congress is the only body that can declear war and how it is protected under the constitution.
In 2009 PAUL supported an attempt to repeal the war powers act calling it unconstitutional.Then in JUNE of this year PAUL said Obama had had violated the war powers act and the constitution by going to war with lybia with out going to congress first.Yep no flip floping there!
Term limits even in 08 he was calling for them!Now thats funny right there because he knows it is what some people want to hear.He also knows that while they want to hear it they over look the fact that the guy calling for term limits has been in office for 30 years.for 30 years he talks term limits all the while doing the very thing he says is part of the problem with washington.He knows it is easy to let the people hear what they want when he knows it has no chance of happening.
Now I also know some of the good things Paul has done.like not voteing to raise taxes like often giving people in his district free medical care instead of taking the medicare/medicade payments because he belives they are wrong.I know that he has pledged not to take his pension when he leaves office.I also know he is not the only one to make this pledge.
You see when people shut off their TV'S and really learn about RON PAUL and look past the fact he calls for smaller government and less spending he has no problem with spending as long as its on something he wants..A person learns that in fact RON PAUL Stance on many issues change with the tides.He has spent 30 years in congress how many of you really belive he does dont flip flop?30 years in congress how many of you he has not made deals that have went against the very things he says in public he stands for.In 30 years in washington RON PAUL has perfected the art of being a career politician and telling people what they want to hear.IMHO with 30 years of washington under his belt he is in fact what many of you say you dont want he is IMHO a RHINO.Now all that being said if some how he wins the nomination he will get my vote because I belive a write in vote for someone else will in effect be a vote for OBAMA.
Talks about how bad earmarks are wasteful spending and how he is against them even votes against them .Yet he puts them earmarks in the bills because he knows they will pass anyway.Now if a person truly is against the wastefull spending then he would not attach the earmarks to the bills to began with.Hypercritical at its finest!
IMHO when you say something to the like this
Yahoo! Video Detail for Ron Paul on Illegal Immigration
I have to question how tough he will really be on immigration
Ron paul say he is against abortion yet he also says he is ok with it if the states say it is ok.The state governmet can tell you what is right/wrong but not the federal government.He even voted against a bill that would have made it illegle to for an adult such as a teacher/coach/ overage boyfriend /pedophile to take a minor across state lines for an abortion with out parental consent.
Another thing that always gets him on the national level was his stance against the 1964 civil rights act.There is no way the left will leave this that out this time around.I mean think about it on the 40th anniversary of the civil rights act in 2004 Paul had this to say the civil rights act violated the constitution and reduced the individual liberty.Now I know he had more then that to say But face it,running against Obama that will be his biggest downfall.Can anyone say MLK day??????
Gay marriage,He is against it but only on the federal level this is another issue that is important to both sides.This is also a issue that on a state level he changes his stance.Nope no flip flopping there!
In 2004 paul talked about the war powers act and how important it was that congress is the only body that can declear war and how it is protected under the constitution.
In 2009 PAUL supported an attempt to repeal the war powers act calling it unconstitutional.Then in JUNE of this year PAUL said Obama had had violated the war powers act and the constitution by going to war with lybia with out going to congress first.Yep no flip floping there!
Term limits even in 08 he was calling for them!Now thats funny right there because he knows it is what some people want to hear.He also knows that while they want to hear it they over look the fact that the guy calling for term limits has been in office for 30 years.for 30 years he talks term limits all the while doing the very thing he says is part of the problem with washington.He knows it is easy to let the people hear what they want when he knows it has no chance of happening.
Now I also know some of the good things Paul has done.like not voteing to raise taxes like often giving people in his district free medical care instead of taking the medicare/medicade payments because he belives they are wrong.I know that he has pledged not to take his pension when he leaves office.I also know he is not the only one to make this pledge.
You see when people shut off their TV'S and really learn about RON PAUL and look past the fact he calls for smaller government and less spending he has no problem with spending as long as its on something he wants..A person learns that in fact RON PAUL Stance on many issues change with the tides.He has spent 30 years in congress how many of you really belive he does dont flip flop?30 years in congress how many of you he has not made deals that have went against the very things he says in public he stands for.In 30 years in washington RON PAUL has perfected the art of being a career politician and telling people what they want to hear.IMHO with 30 years of washington under his belt he is in fact what many of you say you dont want he is IMHO a RHINO.Now all that being said if some how he wins the nomination he will get my vote because I belive a write in vote for someone else will in effect be a vote for OBAMA.
I assume you mean hypocritical (of the nature of hypocrisy) and not hypercritical (excessively or meticulously critical, or overly critical). If so, before you make (or parrot) that claim, you really should do some actual research into the earmarks which are attached to his name. You should also learn that "earmark" does not necessarily mean "pork", and in Ron Paul's case, it never does. The fact that he has earmarks attached to his name should be accepted only after noting that his earmarks for his district divert already appropriated money from stupid and wasteful programs and point them in positive directions.
Without question, you need to learn a tad more about Ron Paul, because that characterization is patently false. Looking up "anti Ron Paul" stuff on the Internet is not the same as learning about Ron Paul.
You can believe what you want, but his record shows no evidence of flip flopping at all, nor does it show any indication of his stances on ANY issues, much less many issues, changing with the tides. Ron Paul has been saying the same exact things for 30 years, and has wavered so little that he's called a crackpot and a wacko.
None that I know of. Can you name any? Or is just asking the question more than enough to make it true?
That's so far off base as to be laughable. He's made a career of telling people what HE wants them to hear, whether THEY want to hear it or not.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but that statement shows ignorance of both Ron Paul and what constitutes a RINO (30 years of service in Washington does not a RINO make).
That's the spirit.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
cheri,Guess 'they' really are scared - the link is no longer available.
I fixed the link in my original post - it should work now.
Enjoy - it's a real hoot
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How many of us really know anything about Alex Jones? Ever checked out his website Infowars.com? Here's an article from this fountain of enlightenment:
» The Cost Of Defying Obamacare: $2,250 a Month And IRS Goons Pointing Guns At Your Family Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
"The health care bill requires the IRS to monitor individuals and businesses via mandatory reporting on income tax returns. If you don’t pay up, the IRS will let loose one of their estimated 16,500 new agents, armed with shotguns and fresh “combat training,” to convince you otherwise."
Be sure to check out his radio show and his other website PrisonPlanet.com and see if the term "crackpot" comes to mind. Regarding Ron Paul, we need to remind ourselves that it seems he's got a history of frequenting these types of outlets.
» The Cost Of Defying Obamacare: $2,250 a Month And IRS Goons Pointing Guns At Your Family Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
"The health care bill requires the IRS to monitor individuals and businesses via mandatory reporting on income tax returns. If you don’t pay up, the IRS will let loose one of their estimated 16,500 new agents, armed with shotguns and fresh “combat training,” to convince you otherwise."
Be sure to check out his radio show and his other website PrisonPlanet.com and see if the term "crackpot" comes to mind. Regarding Ron Paul, we need to remind ourselves that it seems he's got a history of frequenting these types of outlets.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Pilgrim,
Could you please expand on your post a little - as to how you see Alex Jones exactly - and how does the article you linked to, relate to that ?
BTW, the article you linked to is an expansion on, and quotes liberally from, an article written by Matt Cover of CNS News. The article was actually written by Paul Joseph Watson - not by Alex Jones.
For those that don't know, CNS News (aka Cybercast News Service ... formerly called the Conservative News Service ....) is a child organization of Media Research, and was founded by L. Brent Bozell III (self-identifies as "conservative"):
CNS News History
Could you please expand on your post a little - as to how you see Alex Jones exactly - and how does the article you linked to, relate to that ?
BTW, the article you linked to is an expansion on, and quotes liberally from, an article written by Matt Cover of CNS News. The article was actually written by Paul Joseph Watson - not by Alex Jones.
For those that don't know, CNS News (aka Cybercast News Service ... formerly called the Conservative News Service ....) is a child organization of Media Research, and was founded by L. Brent Bozell III (self-identifies as "conservative"):
CNS News History
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
If anyone cares, Ron Paul will be the keynote speaker next week in Roswell, New Mexico at the annual Area 51 Paranormal Conference. Other attendees include Brian Hugh Warner who will speak on the reconciliation of gender issues and Elizabeth Borden will address unresolved parent-child issues. $25 at the door. Paul's camp declares this event is largely nonpolitical, but a symposium much anticipated each year.
Ron Paul has a history of frequenting any and every type of outlet that he can get his ideas out to people. If he hung out with the likes of Alex Jones on an exclusive basis, then a guilt by association could be reasonable inferred. But he doesn't do that.
I'm not a huge, over the top Ron Paul fan, tho I do like him. But more importantly I can see him for what he is, that of someone who doesn't fit the mold that so many people want to put him in, whatever that mold du jour may be. He's been saying the same things for 30 years, and now, finally, people are beginning to pay attention.
clcooper
Expert Expediter
so if he went to a all boys school each year to be a keynote speaker . would you say he is a pedophilia then too ??
I can't say it often enough, Ron Paul is a nice man. But, don't you think $25 is a fair price?
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Ari,
You know the real trick with humor is when you can actually cause someone else ... besides only yourself ... to laugh ... that's real talent ...... .... some got it ... and some just don't .....
Nevertheless, one certainly has to admire your sticktoitiveness .... sorta reminds me of that Lieutenant Stephen Hauk feller in Good Morning Vietnam:
You know the real trick with humor is when you can actually cause someone else ... besides only yourself ... to laugh ... that's real talent ...... .... some got it ... and some just don't .....
Nevertheless, one certainly has to admire your sticktoitiveness .... sorta reminds me of that Lieutenant Stephen Hauk feller in Good Morning Vietnam:
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
You saying it has about as much authenticity as ..... a $2 dollar hooker commenting on a potential "client" after eyeing him up ....
Be glad if you can get half that ....
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tbubster
Seasoned Expediter
Say what you want but if you are against something then you are against it.not its wrong on the federal level but ok for the states to tell you you can or can not,its that simple.
If you think that ear marking 2.5 million in the 2010 budget to redevelop historic downtown area and to purchase trash cans,bike racks and decorative street lights for bay town is not wasteful well.................. thats just one example.Or how about the Earmark in 2007 for 8 million for the marketing of wild american shrimp I guess thats not wastful either?
The problem with earmarks is they help run up the need for a larger budget the next year.
If RON PAUL really has no problem with using earmarks why does he always vote no on any spending bill.Why not just vote yes.Bet it has nothing to do with the fact he could no longer claim to be a fiscal conservative against big wasteful government spendingYou not gonna change my mind on a guy who talks about the need for term limits while he spends 30 years in washington.To me that is telling the people what they want to hear.You are not gonna change my mind about a guy who claims to be one of the only real fiscal conservative republicans in congress,yet is one of only four republicans to request earmarks in the 2011 in the amount of $157,093,544 after pledging along with the rest of the republicans not to. nope not buying it.Dont ask dont tell he has always been for it yet he voted to repeal it!nope thats not flip flopping!
You can assume I get my info anywhere you want.
Back to the thread.IMHO the big media outlets are not giving him the air time because THEY belive he can not win.(note I said they not I)I belive any republican will beat OBAMA in 2012.And again he will get my vote if he is who the party picks.Not because Im straight line republican but because I belive Obama is hurting the country.
If you think that ear marking 2.5 million in the 2010 budget to redevelop historic downtown area and to purchase trash cans,bike racks and decorative street lights for bay town is not wasteful well.................. thats just one example.Or how about the Earmark in 2007 for 8 million for the marketing of wild american shrimp I guess thats not wastful either?
The problem with earmarks is they help run up the need for a larger budget the next year.
If RON PAUL really has no problem with using earmarks why does he always vote no on any spending bill.Why not just vote yes.Bet it has nothing to do with the fact he could no longer claim to be a fiscal conservative against big wasteful government spending
You not gonna change my mind on a guy who talks about the need for term limits while he spends 30 years in washington.To me that is telling the people what they want to hear.You are not gonna change my mind about a guy who claims to be one of the only real fiscal conservative republicans in congress,yet is one of only four republicans to request earmarks in the 2011 in the amount of $157,093,544 after pledging along with the rest of the republicans not to. nope not buying it.Dont ask dont tell he has always been for it yet he voted to repeal it!nope thats not flip flopping!You can assume I get my info anywhere you want.
Back to the thread.IMHO the big media outlets are not giving him the air time because THEY belive he can not win.(note I said they not I)I belive any republican will beat OBAMA in 2012.And again he will get my vote if he is who the party picks.Not because Im straight line republican but because I belive Obama is hurting the country.
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