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Boss: Driver took wrong turn into Juárez with load of ammo - El Paso Times
Boss: Driver took wrong turn into Juárez with load of ammo - El Paso Times
Wrong turn to Mexico
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chefdennis
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I just heard about this on the Cam & Company NRA xm radio show...
One stupid driver since there are two exits before the border.
I could be wrong but is ammo 1.4 placard or did they change the placarding requirement for ammo. I would have been surprised if he even made it past the entrance point going into Mexico. Oh well takes one more idiot off the road.
I could be wrong but is ammo 1.4 placard or did they change the placarding requirement for ammo. I would have been surprised if he even made it past the entrance point going into Mexico. Oh well takes one more idiot off the road.
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My U.S. Army Infantry days are long behind me and I have not used a machine gun for quite some time. Weapons technology has changed over the years and I have not kept up.
Looking at the photos in the news story, I see some of that ammo linked together like machine gun ammo is, but only in groups of four. The machine gun ammo I fired came in belts of one hundred rounds or more if I remember right. The gun shop that purchased this ammo said it is for legal use by legal shooters. Can someone explain why rounds for sport and target shooting would be linked together at all, and then in groups of four?
Looking at the photos in the news story, I see some of that ammo linked together like machine gun ammo is, but only in groups of four. The machine gun ammo I fired came in belts of one hundred rounds or more if I remember right. The gun shop that purchased this ammo said it is for legal use by legal shooters. Can someone explain why rounds for sport and target shooting would be linked together at all, and then in groups of four?
Granted, this driver made a wrong turn and made even more wrong moves when he knowlingly drove into Mexico with a load of ammo on board, but I am more sympathetic. There is not a driver out there who has not made a wrong turn or two or three or three hundred in his or her career. And when you are at a border crossing and an officer tells you to proceed, that is what you are inclined to do.
Regarding placarding, labeling, load securement and the driver's qualifications to haul this load, the news story raises more questions than answers. But as I think about the story, I think of the driver sitting in a Mexican jail cell kicking himself over and over again for making the simple mistake in this series of mistakes of missing his turn. How much different would things be for him now if he had only paid attention and followed the signs to West I-10?
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purgoose10
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I blame the Ammo supplier. You did notice the drivers name. AKEEM!!!! That say's it all.
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"The U.S. trucker who was detained this week by Mexican authorities with 268,000 rounds of ammunition has been taken to Mexico City by federal investigators specializing in organized crime."
Story here
"The U.S. trucker who was detained this week by Mexican authorities with 268,000 rounds of ammunition has been taken to Mexico City by federal investigators specializing in organized crime."
Story here
Interesting, wonder what else there is to this story?
Too bad that person that wrote that has little idea what they were talking about. Bullets are NOT ammo. When I see lax or incorrect information I distrust the entire thing.
Too bad that person that wrote that has little idea what they were talking about. Bullets are NOT ammo. When I see lax or incorrect information I distrust the entire thing.
chefdennis
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Based on the article and what i heard on the radio, the bullets were for AK-47's and AR-15's...that would most likely make it 5.56x45 and or 7.62x39....most of that stuff (not all) comes from the manufacturer mounted on "stripper clips" in 4 or 10 rounds per strip..using a speed loader and 10 round strips is a whole lot easier and faster then loading a 20 round magazine one round at a time..and easier on the fingers too...it is very common and would not rise any issues....
Getting a little picky there. I would say in laymens terms bullets are ammo. I would venture to say a large majority of those reading the article would relate the two. Not real sure what is in the article to distrust anyway.
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Not picky, inaccurate reporting, not paying attention to details, always implies sloppy work. I would say that if a layman called a orange an apple it would not make it an apple. A reporter has a DUTY to be accurate, honest, and to use proper terms.
IF they are so lazy that they cannot look up the proper terms, assuming that they don't know them, then they are likely too lazy to insure the accuracy of any thing that they write. I learned that in grade school, high school and in college.
Being a true journalist requires nothing less. They should hold themselves to a much higher standard than someone posting on this site for example.
Then you better look up the meaning of ammo because most dictionaries would define what was in that truck as such. But hey their probably wrong to.
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That truck was carrying ammo. I am WELL aware that a BULLET, which is NOT ONLY what that truck was carrying is NOT ammo. A BULLET is PART of the CARTRIDGE, which, when loaded with powder, with a primer and a properly seated bullet is known as ammo.
IF that truck was carrying "5.56mm bullets" and "7.62mm bullets", as that reporter stated it would NOT be labeled as hazmat 1.4. It would just be the bullets, no brass, primer or powder. In other words NOT AMMO.
I would not want that reporter working in my truck, I would hate to see how someone that lazy would secure hazmat, maybe with a rubber band?
You said the reporter should look it up. Check the dictionary your assuming he didnt and you could be wrong. Are you now suggesting he check the hazmat guide.
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mrgoodtude
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I have four cans of 7.62 and those little buggars (I call em rounds) are from my M1...
Now I will go fetch some popcorn and come back to watch you have your aneurism.
One, I am 100% correct on this subject. A bullet is a bullet and some ammunition, not all, include bullets in their make up.
Bullets are sold as bullets:
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Ammunition is sold as ammunition:
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Another source for ammunition :
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The Enemy
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I'm having a hard time understanding how he was driving on I-10 west towards Pheonix and he made a wrong turn into Mexico. Its not like there aren't any signs stating you are headed to Mexico or any turn offs before the border crossing. Its not like he was trucking along, made a left turn and booom, he's in Mexico.
One of the reasons I find shoddy reporting a problem. There was a move early in the Obama administration to sell all used military brass to China to keep it out of the hands of bulk reloading companies. ONE of the reasons they stated was to keep this ammunition out of Mexico. Just as they said that U.S. citizens were the primary cause of illegal guns getting into Mexico. Kinda reminds me of a another story that they are 'stonewalling' on when pressed for answers. That one was called: Fast and Furious. Is it possible that this is more of the same? Hard to say, this reporter does not know the difference between a bullet and functioning ammunition.
5.56X45 is the primary caliber used by the U.S. military and was the target of that proposed ban.
Wow buddy, you seem to refuse to use a normal dictionary. Sorry but your guilty of exactly what you accuse the reporter of doing.
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