danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
would you do a 900 mile run for $750 and no fsc?
i'd say hell no but i'm in a sprinter.......
i'd say hell no but i'm in a sprinter.......
would you?
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jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
I agree it's not a good paying load. But if your sitting in Fargo on Friday night and your Carrier does not have a strong presence in that area, then it might not be a bad load to take.
As I know you are aware if you sit waiting on a load that pays a reasonable rate, lets just say three more days then by the time you figure your daily costs for having your truck sit then you will need a heck of a FSC to move on the next load offer. As I said there is more information needed to be able to make a good business choice.
Would you take the load if you were in Saskatoon on Friday night? Would you take it on Thursday morning in Chicago?
If the question by the poster is will I make money on this load? I guess a tiny amount, If the question is should I take the load, then I stand by what I said.
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Hauling a load for 83 cpm is hauling cheap freight. It does not matter what the reason is for hauling it, if you haul a load for this price you become part of the problem. As long as the carriers can find people to haul for these rates the rates will never go up. So just remember, haul 1 or 2 loads at this rate and fairly soon all your loads will be at this rate.
We can all come up with situations or reasons that can justify any load, any load at all, just like we can come up with reasons that make even the best loads not worth taking. But most of our loads aren't qualified with a bunch of "but if's". Nearly every question that gets asked here can come with 87 different qualifiers about how to answer it, 'cause it's different for every person, every truck, every load, every day. But people come here for answers, not qualifiers, and that's what I try to give them. Yeah, there are reasons you might take it, but still, all things being equal, 83 cents is a luzer.
"As I know you are aware if you sit waiting on a load that pays a reasonable rate,..."
Uhm, yeah, 'cause I'm out here in business to run freight at unreasonable rates. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Impatience is the surest road to failure in this business. People will sit a few hours, get impatient, then deadhead ridiculous amounts of miles. People sit, get impatient, and run freight at a reduced rate just to be doing something. Never mind that they're not making any money doing it.
The thing is, I've been in Nowhere, Montana and turned down a cheap load, because it was offered to me on the cheap because they thought I'd take it just to get out of there. Whoops. If they want it covered, they can pay me a reasonable rate. Not a silly rate like some of these people ask for, just a reasonable rate so that I don't lose money getting out. Otherwise I'm happy to vacation in Big Sky, thank you very much.
You've got to work smart, regardless of the load. There really and truly are 87 qualifiers for ever question and every load. Some loads aren't great, but they still gotta be covered, and if they get you to an area you want to be in for freight, then that's a reason to take the load. If it takes you to a place you don't want to go, then it will take more money than normal to get it covered. But, without any qualifiers, I still think 87 cents in a van is a luzer.
juliewray60
Not a Member
Having been with the FED for six years
ive seen the above senario many times.
2-3 years ago signed up with a good
load board as i learned the FED would
work with you to secure found loads.
Several times ive turned down those
loads only to find the exact same freight
posted elsewhere for as much as 25 to 50%
higher. Ive simply called the info into the
FED and they processed the pickup. They
take their cut and im still making more
CPM than the original offer.
My belief is that the FED will use your
in the middle of nowhere status to bait
you into accepting luzer rates. Possibly
i could be wrong in this assumption but
the number of times ive personally seen
it happens indicates shenanigans.
Moral of all this is quite simple.
Dont limit your knowledge of avail
freight to what you see on that dang
c-link screen. Get out and explore all
avenues of escape. A cheapo 10 to 20
dollars investment makes you much more
productive than relying on that screen.
ive seen the above senario many times.
2-3 years ago signed up with a good
load board as i learned the FED would
work with you to secure found loads.
Several times ive turned down those
loads only to find the exact same freight
posted elsewhere for as much as 25 to 50%
higher. Ive simply called the info into the
FED and they processed the pickup. They
take their cut and im still making more
CPM than the original offer.
My belief is that the FED will use your
in the middle of nowhere status to bait
you into accepting luzer rates. Possibly
i could be wrong in this assumption but
the number of times ive personally seen
it happens indicates shenanigans.
Moral of all this is quite simple.
Dont limit your knowledge of avail
freight to what you see on that dang
c-link screen. Get out and explore all
avenues of escape. A cheapo 10 to 20
dollars investment makes you much more
productive than relying on that screen.
If that load were going to N.Dakota i'd be all over it like flies to poop....Then I'd ONLY have a 381 mile DH to go home.....
Belvedere Assembly Plant to my door 1,082 mile ....try that on for size next time ya whine about a lousey 100 mile DH!
I am not complainin...just stating....I freely chose to do it...
Belvedere Assembly Plant to my door 1,082 mile ....try that on for size next time ya whine about a lousey 100 mile DH!
I am not complainin...just stating....I freely chose to do it...
Suds43
Seasoned Expediter
I probably would not take the load.
Everyone on here is constantly complaining about cheap freight, don't take cheap freight. But the minute that same 'cheap freight' benefits them personally, they jump all over it. All of a sudden it's ok to take cheap freight. "It will get me home", "It will get me to a better location", "It will get me to where I want to be instead of where I'm at".
Expediting isn't about "where I want to be", it's about running a business, making wise business decisions everyday. Plain and simple.
Keep taking cheap freight when it benefits you personally, but don't complain about it being offered time and time again when the companies know they'll get someone to take it.
With the way the economy is today and the 'out of this world' expenses of operating a truck, it's time to get off the fence people......
Either say NO to cheap freight, or suffer the consequences.
Everyone on here is constantly complaining about cheap freight, don't take cheap freight. But the minute that same 'cheap freight' benefits them personally, they jump all over it. All of a sudden it's ok to take cheap freight. "It will get me home", "It will get me to a better location", "It will get me to where I want to be instead of where I'm at".
Expediting isn't about "where I want to be", it's about running a business, making wise business decisions everyday. Plain and simple.
Keep taking cheap freight when it benefits you personally, but don't complain about it being offered time and time again when the companies know they'll get someone to take it.
With the way the economy is today and the 'out of this world' expenses of operating a truck, it's time to get off the fence people......
Either say NO to cheap freight, or suffer the consequences.
Thats an Idealists way of thinking and then there's the Practicalists way of thinking...
So your saying I should belly up and take the hit rather then out 750 bucks in my pocket?
Since I am an O/O and the example run would pay .83/ mile and It costs me .19/ mile in fuel....I should go home empty handed? NOT going to happen.
I support MY cause ....Good business is to take advantage of a set of cirmcumstances. Even it only adds 10% to my bottomline it's still a positive not a negative.
I am not saying to do this all the time....But to go home paid and put a few bucks in my pocket at the same time IS good for MY business....And BTW this isn't a buddy. buddy deal here..we are in direct competition...If I can put you down and out I will...
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Quote from OTV......"if I can put you down and out, I will."
HMMMMMMMM wonder what's wrong with the world today!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw ye to benefit me!!!
Guess I just wasn't raised that way.
you said it....it's only business....it's not personal...
If my business can afford to to do a certain run at a certain price thats me....if I should err that is MY fault....Iam NOT going to run my business by anyone elses standard of what it should be....
flattop40
Expert Expediter
Quote from OTV......"if I can put you down and out, I will."
HMMMMMMMM wonder what's wrong with the world today!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw ye to benefit me!!!
Guess I just wasn't raised that way.
Its called survival. If you want everyone and everything to be "Fair" then go live in a socialist country where you can make and do exactly what everyone else is. You are problably the type that also complains when your little jimmy doesn't get as much playing time in sports in school.
Life is NOT fair. WE are all in compatition against each other. If I don't make as much as you, are you going to give me some of yours? OVM is absolutely right between carriers and amungst the same carrier we are all competing for the same freight.
Is your real name Obama? wanting the redistribution of wealth in this country? oops thats a different topic to be discussed on the soapbox.
Just saying that is NOT whats wrong with the world today its those of you who think everything should be equal is whats wrong. Law of nature THE STRONGEST SHALL SURVIVE!!!!
CharlesD
Expert Expediter
99% of the time I'm not taking that load for anything, unless I've been out for a month and it's going within a few miles of my house on a Friday or a day before Christmas, Thanksgiving, my anniversary, or my birthday. .83 a mile with the payment I have on this van doesn't leave much profit left over with the fuel prices where they are these days.
Thats exactly what I am saying Charles....Mr Suds says not at all...under any circumstance....I was referring to that 1%...
But OVM, Charlie has already listed 1.5% of the days of a year, an I betcha there is probly more. There are times that it ain't smart to sit, an there are times it ain't smart to run. Each has to figgure their own "wanna" and live with it. Simple there ain't no roast goose, and every load ain't gonna be a home run.