Would you buy new or used?

bigjoep89

Expert Expediter
After all the feed back regarding putting together a C-unit we are now redirecting our focus on buying a D-unit. My question is would you buy a new unit or a used unit. Other than here where would you start your search for a good quality used unit? What year, truck,engine. Our plans are to run the truck as a team for 5 to 6 years. Thanks in advance for the input. Joe
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
B unit?
New, if you have the money.

A aerocell SRW on a GM chassis with a Duramax.

I have seen one long wheel base unit but I think that was an SRW extented by the owner.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
New will cost more but you'll have lots of warranty options. Used costs less but you have the unknowns of prior care and potentially more expenses and down time. Some of the used units are fairly new with low mileage and probably could have an extended warranty put on them. I usually skip them but bought the one for my Acterra. It more than paid for itself with replacement of the EGR system and some part of the turbo system. If you go used, be sure to have a dyno, oil analysis, ECM dump and something else I can't remember the name of. They have machines for it and drive the truck over it and it somehow does a complete frame/suspension check. My KW dealer at home has one and I'm pretty sure FL Knoxville does. It's about a $90 test. I'd highly recommend talking to Jon Mosier at FL Knoxville whether you go new or used. He's a stand up guy that knows this business and can help you get a good truck. Good luck.

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jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
You may also want to consider how hard you plan on running, If your in service numbers are going to be high, and you only want to buy once, a larger truck, or a rebuildable engine may be a consideration. This will also help with resale. If on the other hand you are going to be a gentlemen expediter a class 7 w/o rebuildable engine will do. But New or near new ( less than 75k miles) is what should be bought.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Yes, Vischeck (or Visicheck?) is it.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
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geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
if you can't look at maintance records would not buy that truck
as you will be able to tell how well truck was maintance was done
when i trade my trucks in always include maintance records so they will see what has been down to the truck or unit
no records don't buy it
 

are12

Expert Expediter
We bought our trucks from Freightliner of Knoxville from Jon Mosier. When we talked with Jon he told us, since we were just starting out and did not know if we would like expediting, he suggested that we buy a used truck. Jon told us it is easier to sell a used truck than it is to sell a new used truck. The loan officer at our bank agreed. So our 1st truck was a 2000 Freightliner.

Once we found out how much we loved expediting, we bought a new 2006 Sterling - also from Jon.
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
>After all the feed back regarding putting together a C-unit
>we are now redirecting our focus on buying a D-unit. My
>question is would you buy a new unit or a used unit. Other
>than here where would you start your search for a good
>quality used unit? What year, truck,engine. Our plans are to
>run the truck as a team for 5 to 6 years. Thanks in advance
>for the input. Joe
>

New.

However, that is the correct answer for us and not necessarily for you.

You need to examine your own situation then weigh that against the PROs & CONs of purchasing either new or used.
 

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
For your first truck, used is not necessarily a bad choice. This for many can make the difference of becoming an Owner especially when financing a new truck is unaffordable or unobtainable. But, with buying a used truck comes risk that for some could be catastropic at the very least! Although costly, fortunately for us this was not the case.

In our case we found our 2001 Freightliner DR-unit while at FECC's corporate office. People that worked at corporate knew the now previous owner and the quaulity of care these owners had given the truck. Based on that and reviewing the maintenance records we bought it. The truck had 310,000 miles on it at the time of purchase. The engine was a Caterpillar C-10 set at 335hp that ran great.

With that said, now a word of warning:
Dispite all of the prior excellent care and continued care after we purchased this truck, the engine failed at 651,000 miles. Thankgoodness we were having regular oil analysis done which alerted us to the problem. Unfortunately, it was a problem that didn't show itself until it was to late. It wasn't even affecting the way the engine ran. Although not common, this is a problem with the C-10 engine as I was told by our Cat Service Center. I was also told at the CSC that NOTHING we did in the care of this engine caused this failure. Without actually opening up this (any used) engine to look inside for potentual problems you won't know if a problem like this is occuring. Do you really think a seller would allow you to take the engine apart before buying it? NOT!!!

The cylinder sleeves on the C-10 only have one o-ring to keep the coolant from leaking past and getting into the engine oil. The designed flow of the coolant around the sleeves creates a high volume of flow in the area of the o-rings. In our case five of the six cylinder sleeves had "eroded" the metal in the o-ring channel (or groove) along with the engine block in the same area. The #6 sleeve developed a leak and the other four weren't far behind. The leak was so small at this point there were NO visible signs of coolant in the oil or a notable drop in our coolant level. Per our Cat sevice Center a second oil analysis was done at a different location to confirmed a leak. Also, the oil and filters were changed immediately after the first analysis and the second was done on the new oil a week later as we worked our way home. It did not matter that we kept good coolant in our engine at all times, the damage still occured. The block would have to be replaced.Since everything on the engine was original we chose to replace everything with new and Caterpillar remaned parts and get an extended full coverage three year 300,000 mile engine warranty. Total cost $25,000

So, you have to pick your poison when buying a new or used truck:

New = large downpayment, large monthly payments, longer term loan, higher insurance cost, warranties to cover most breakdowns (for a while)
or
Used = smaller downpayment, lower payments, shorter term loan, lower insurance cost, little to no warranties left, potentually high and unexpected repair cost that you better be prepared to handle or you're dead in the water and out of business!!! :(
Plus if you look at any truck with an EatonFuller 10 speed Smartshift
tranny you won't be able to dyno the engine per EatonFuller.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Although I'm in a tractor,my 1st two trucks in expediting,were used ones,after the up keep and down time,I haven't bought used since,used has less payment,but if your not working cause of breakdown,you cant make even a smaller payment,and my motto is, why buy someone elses headaches
 
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