WikiLeaks site's Swiss host dismisses pressure

RLENT

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Arrgggh ...... mateys ...... :D

"There comes a time in most men’s lives where they feel
the need to raise the Black Flag ....."
- Captain D

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WikiLeaks received a boost tonight when Switzerland rejected growing international calls to force the site off the internet.

The whistleblowers site, which has been publishing leaked US embassy cables, was forced to switch domain names to WikiLeaks.ch yesterday after the US host of its main website, WikiLeaks.org, pulled the plug following mounting political pressure.

The site's new Swiss host, Switch, today said there was "no reason" why it should be forced offline, despite demands from France and the US. Switch is a non-profit registrar set up by the Swiss government for all 1.5 million Swiss .ch domain names.

The reassurances come just hours after eBay-owned PayPal, the primary donation channel to WikiLeaks, terminated its links with the site, citing "illegal activity" .....

...... The Swiss Pirate Party, which registered the WikiLeaks.ch domain name earlier this year on behalf of the site, said Switch had reassured the party that it would not block the site .....

..... Laurence Kaye, leader of the UK-based Pirate Party, tonight told the Guardian: "International Pirate Parties now have an integral role in allowing access to WikiLeaks. I wish some of our other politicians had the same guts.

"We support the WikiLeaks project as access to information is the prerequisite for an informed and engaged democracy ........"

........ WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, described the decision as "privatization of state censorship" in the US ..."

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Two things strike me immediately about this. One, it's a sad state of affairs when France takes our side in anything.

Two, I can't believe Assange is all pіssed off because he can't have a US-based hosting site. You don't go to someone's house, take a big dump in their living room, and then complain about how restrictive they are when they get mad and tell you to leave.

OK, a third one. It's ironic that Switzerland, the Great Keeper of Secrets, is now the home for the Great Sharer of Secrets.

I'm betting that Assange has some juicy stuff on the Swiss.
 

Pilgrim

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Wonder how much juicy stuff he has on the Russians or the Chinese? Surely he must have some goodies on them - why hasn't that been published? Just some food for thought.
 

greg334

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Yeah isn't that funny Turtle, they used to be the only place where secrecy was their priority but recently decided to help by providing banking info on people who would not pay them off. So I must remind our in-house Assange fan club that when they talk about crimes, there isn't any one corporation or company more complicit in murder of millions of Jews than that of the Swiss banking and insurance companies - all of which have been protected by the government who also had a hand in the murders.

Um.. let's add another one to the bunch, protecting a rapist of a child. The swiss are doing so well with helping people.

Even though it isn't a big deal, could maybe a nice attack on the servers be in order by Russia or China?

I think maybe the pressure for ICANN to remove the domain name may happen.
 

RLENT

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Wonder how much juicy stuff he has on the Russians or the Chinese?
Dunno ... hopefully bunches ....

Surely he must have some goodies on them - why hasn't that been published?
If they actually have it (the data on the Ruskies and the Chinks), the answer is out there - but you would actually have to look for it. (Noooooo !!! ..... don't loooooook !!! ..... not thaaat !!!! :eek:)

Just a guess: it probably will not be found in the rightwing (or leftwing) retardo-spheres.

It's likely the same reason that they have not released all the American stuff yet .....

Clue: The claim is that they have been deluged with so much stuff from whistleblowers - to the point that they are overwhelmed with having to vet it all.

Just some food for thought.
You do know that he has publicly called for submissions from Taliban whistleblowers don't you ? :rolleyes:
 
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RLENT

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I think maybe the pressure for ICANN to remove the domain name may happen.
Well, given that the Prez of ICANN is this guy:

Rod Beckstrom

.... ya kinda hafta wonder why it hasn't already, when you consider his curriculum vitae ....

Of course, it could be that little stint at DHS has made it less likely ..... :rolleyes:

Won't matter anyways - the full dataset is out there on over 10,000 servers as of, I think it was yesterday (and probably still proliferating as we type), and in the hands of "news organizations" ..... it's coming out ....
 
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"retardo-spheres."

I nearly lost it on that one. LOL


By the by, for those who want to keep up with the Assange Shennigans du jour, what with Wikileaks' Internet address changing on a seemingly hourly basis now here's a nifty list of mirror sites.
 

RLENT

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"retardo-spheres."

I nearly lost it on that one. LOL
Happy to be of service .... :D

By the by, for those who want to keep up with the Assange Shennigans du jour, what with Wikileaks' Internet address changing on a seemingly hourly basis now here's a nifty list of mirror sites.
Excellent - will bookmark that one .....

I've been bypassing DNS and just going with the direct IP address .... the above will be good to know in case (when) it gets taken down ....
 

RLENT

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Lastest Twitter Feed, 4 hours ago:

"WikiLeaks strikes back. Cut us down and the stronger we become:"

Twitter / Search


It's interesting to watch the public reaction to the effort to suppress Wikileaks, and the info they are trying to provide ...... just purely as a social phenomena.

This may be something entirely new .... and I'm guessin' that it ain't anything that the USG, DOD, and the spooks are real well prepared to handle ...
 

greg334

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From the BBC,

BBC News - Wikileaks' Julian Assange to fight Swedish allegations

The little snippet in the quote below is in the article and if we are to believe that this is all about discloser of secrets that Assange feels should be open, it opens the question who is he really working for and should we as an international community stop him and the further disclosure of material by any means?

Mr Stephens [Assange's Lawyer] warned that the organisation held further secret material which it regarded as a "thermo-nuclear device" to be released if it needs to protect itself.
Isn't this a threat?

You leave me alone or else?

Here is another one that seems to be now twisted to make him more or less a journalistic hero.

"This is all about a man who is a journalist. He received, unbidden, an electronic brown envelope that journalists receive.
It brings up the question - AM I right that anyone can be a journalist and this removes completely the idea that they are above an average citizen?
 

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Yeah, a journalist wouldn't threaten to release the "really damaging and embarrassing stuff" unless you leave him alone. He's a hacker with an ego, that's all he is. The whole point of whistelblowing is to get the information out there in order to stop the lies and corruption. But he's not doing that, he's milking the publicity for all it's worth.
 

greg334

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From ...

WikiLeaks uses Swiss Web address as options narrow - Yahoo! News

In an online chat with El Pais in Spain, Assange said the hunt for him was tough. He remains free while his website spews daily embarrassment and potential diplomatic damage to the U.S.



"We have hundreds of specific death threats from U.S. military militants. That is not unusual, and we have become practiced from past experiences at ignoring such threats from Islamic extremists, African kleptocrats and so on," he said.



"Recently the situation has changed with these threats now extending out to our lawyers and my children," he added. "However, it is the specific calls from the elites of U.S. society for our assassination, kidnapping and execution that is more concerning."


I think some prudent thoughts would be to go after everyone who has a hand in this. Whether or not this is a crime, Assange has decided to fight with threats and continue to play games. If there was a seriousness journalistic point, then there would a valid point to be made for his disclosure of information.



As you said, an arrogant hacker who thinks he can get away with it.



I don't think he is hiding well enough, Maybe MI5 has him in their sights and he may magically appear in Sweden.
 

RLENT

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The little snippet in the quote below is in the article and if we are to believe that this is all about discloser of secrets that Assange feels should be open, it opens the question who is he really working for ....
Who do you feel he is "working for ?"

(As to myself, I have little doubt .....)

and should we as an international community stop him and the further disclosure of material by any means?
More of the same old the ends justify means crapola ....

The reality of the matter is this: Julian Assange has made himself a target by being the public face of Wikileaks ... my guess is that this was very much calculated ....... and unlike some others on here, who feel different, it was not for reasons of personal aggrandizement or adulation ...

As a little exercise, let's see if anyone can figure out why that might be .... (Hint: it has to do with defensive strategy, and not necessarily of his person, but of the organization)

And BTW - if I was going to make it a personal practice to parrot a politician's lines, I probably wouldn't have Hillary Clinton as my first choice ...... :rolleyes:

Isn't this a threat?

You leave me alone or else?
Only to those who would engage in unethical, immoral, and criminal conduct ....

I think he's saying that now, since you've stooped so low as to run the covert op of trying to set me up on the rape thing (very odd timing and a whole lot of very odd circumstances on that one, if one bothers to look :rolleyes:) if you continue to act in unethical, immoral, and illegal manner, you will experience a measure of justice yourself .....

It brings up the question - AM I right that anyone can be a journalist and this removes completely the idea that they are above an average citizen?
I have started to reply to that question, which you raised in another post ... long story short:

I would say that it does not raise them above the level of a citizen .... however if your intent in raising the question is to then somehow constrain journalists (whether they be formally recognized journalists, or simply citizen journalists) I'm going to have to say: that dog don't hunt ....

The purpose of a free press was to serve the citizenry - ostensibly so that they would remain informed - and could exercise control over the government, so that, among other things, the citizens might remain free.

Additionally, it was prevent the mechanism of the state from being taken over and subverted by criminals and then used to further their own ends.

As such, in my opinion, it is, a higher purpose, than the governments fundamental purpose to protect the nation.

Freedom trumps security every time ... at least in my book.

But I do understand how those who are in fear, as a chronic condition, might see it otherwise .....
 
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Since when was that bunch part of the "Free Press" in the U.S.? Since when was our so-called "Free Press" been unbiased or shown ANY kind of responsibility? EVERY wound that the three Purple Heart owners that I just spent time hunting with was "aided" by irresponsible reporting by our "Free Press" Most of whom NEVER put their OWN lives on the line but the have NO PROBLEM endangering the lives of those who do.
 
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The purpose of a free press was to serve the citizenry - ostensibly so that they would remain informed - and could exercise control over the government, so that, among other things, the citizens might remain free.

Yep I agree 100% without hesitation

... but ...


We do not have a ****ing free press anywhere in the world.

EVERY media outlet in the entire world except here operates under the permission of the state - not one of them is afforded any protection like a First Amendment and most fall under human rights laws that have been created to give permission, not limit government.

But alas ... we surely we wish we had a free press here.

There is not one freedom, repeat one freedom that is allowing any of the press to operate without the responsibility and the accountability of those who call themselves Journalist.

THIS IMPORTANT POINT IS FORGOTTEN by all.

IF responsibility and accountability was the concern, then media organizations like the New York Times, Time and other US based companies would not have an open political driven agenda and would actually report the news without their political point of view or filter it to fit some style book that was written to fit their agenda.

The only way it would work, IF your statement is anywhere near the truth there would be with a clear and open agenda throughout the media to tell the truth all the time uninhibited by money, power or both.

What instead has been happening is the use of Assange as a rally cry for protecting false freedoms based on concepts that are false themselves - one is that institutionalize journalism is above the law and the average citizen.

Freedom of speech is damaged by usurping what a nation does to protect itself regardless what some may think, it is that disclosure that damages the rights and freedoms that everyone has - not just any precieved rights of the press.

THE press isn't above the citizen or the law, they think they are and when freedom of speech has to discern itself between one entity and another, it is no longer a true freedom.

It isn't a problem to release some info that would correct problems but to release all kinds of info, some that help our enemy, which pretty much puts our freedoms in danger on many levels.

IF you need to have a better understanding of this, here is some food for thought, our enemies have said "we will bleed you dry" and they meant not like damaging us to we give up but using our resources up so when we can't fight, they will. There will be a point that the US government, like other governments (France where they have freedoms?) will limit our rights in order to preserve itself and this will with no doubt include freedom of speech. THIS is where the danger is, not in the info but what the info has caused the country to do. ONCE we get to a point that we can't deal with things, all bets are off and we will have to deal with the government forcing US, the citizens to be restricted in ways you can't imagine. NO court in this country let alone the world will side with us even if there is a fight for our rights, and that has been proven with Kelo v New London and other cases in the past 20 years.

As such, in my opinion, it is, a higher purpose, than the governments fundamental purpose to protect the nation.

BUT see that's your opinion and it seems that your opinion is also that the government, which includes you and I have committed crimes. I agree that crimes are committed in our name as a country, I am willing to take that burden on that it is my responsibility for those injustices that have taken place within my lifetime but because you too are a citizen, you have the same burden of responsibility for those unethical immoral criminal acts regardless just as I and everyone else does. You may think because you have an opinion that that is not the case, and that the disclosure of information gives you a pass on it by providing you a defense of your opinion that the government needs to be punished, but in fact you are part of the government as we all are so I have to ask do you take that responsibility seriously and accept your complicity in those unethical actions, and immoral crimes that have been committed in your name as a citizen?

You do know that many who are screaming the most about how great this attack on the US is, actually are complicit in their country's crimes too?

Why is he only focusing on the US, surely you would agree that the UN has done more damage to the world than we have?

If you don't think so, want to take a trip with me to Africa to see?

Or what France and Germany has done to help the repression of people and who have supported terrorism through selling of information and services, Libya, Iran maybe?

How about the UN, France and Germany's crimes under the Oil for Food program?

Shouldn't Assange actually put an effort into fighting the corruption and nepotism at the UN?

Freedom trumps security every time ... at least in my book.

Well your book is one of the anarchist because without Security, we have no freedoms.

If it was as easy as having freedom without security, the world would be free but it isn't. NOT even who we look at Democracies are truly free.
 
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RLENT

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"Cut us down and the stronger we become" - Bagdad Bob
Pretty funny .... gotta love it. :D

Since you posted it without comment (and source attribution) I'll go on the assumption that it was largely for the inherent humor aspect ..... as opposed to any nefarious attempt of guilt by comparison ;)
 

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No guilt by comparison, per se. More of guilt by parallel. It was an illustration of the delusional reality that some people see when the real reality is often just the opposite. Assange is starting to come off sounding a little like Bagdad Bob, like when Bob went on and on about how there were no US military personnel in Bagdad, while in the background through the window you could actually see US foot soldiers and tanks rolling down the street. Whoops.

You know those spam forum and Usenet and e-mail posts that have a Subject of something like, You have GOT to see this! or This will AMAZE you! and you know before opening it up that, well, no, you don't got to see it, and you won't be amazed at all. Assange is beginning to remind me of that kind of thing. The more you cut us down the stronger we become, really means just the opposite. He's got a bombshell of an "insurance" file, but if it contained corruption and lies, why is he holding out, you know, since he's all about exposing corruption and lies?

He's a hacker playing hacker games and taunting those who want him to stop.

About the only thing he's hasn't yet said is, "How DARE you confront me! I am the Great and Powerful Oz!"
 

RLENT

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No guilt by comparison, per se. More of guilt by parallel. It was an illustration of the delusional reality that some people see when the real reality is often just the opposite. Assange is starting to come off sounding a little like Bagdad Bob, like when Bob went on and on about how there were no US military personnel in Bagdad, while in the background through the window you could actually see US foot soldiers and tanks rolling down the street. Whoops.
The difficulty with your parallel is simply this:

While what Baghdad Bob said was clearly an obvious lie, it isn't clear that what Assange has said is (despite your very best efforts to imply that it is - with no real evidence whatsoever I might add :rolleyes:)

Some factual data to the contrary (just off top of my head):

You currently at least have 208 official mirrors of the data - OH WAIT ! - that has morphed to over 350 mirrors (355) within the last 12 to 18 hours (at most).....

Ya wanna lay odds on what the mirror numbers will be by the end of this coming week ? :D

Yesterday I watched the "people who like" (Wikileaks) on Facebook increase by 50,000 in the space of a couple of hours .... as of right now, about 24 hours later, it's up by another 323,000 ....

While I realize that you really, really, really want your premise to be true, please just provide me and others here some actual factual evidence of it - as opposed to your characterizations and conclusions, which contain no real factual data to support them.

Assange is beginning to remind me of that kind of thing. The more you cut us down the stronger we become, really means just the opposite
You can reminisce all you care to, but the question remains:

Do you have any actual evidence of what you maintain above - or is just your (very carefully ? :rolleyes:) considered opinion, pulled out of some warm, dark place ?

He's got a bombshell of an "insurance" file, but if it contained corruption and lies, why is he holding out, you know, since he's all about exposing corruption and lies?
Well, it's kinda a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't sort thing:

He been publicly pilloried for not being responsible enough to redact documents to protect the lives of others .....

So then the organization does engage in so doing, he's now gotta be "holding out" ...

Way, way too funny ....

He's a hacker playing hacker games and taunting those who want him to stop.
Thus spake the Grand Oracle of Testudinis ..... :rolleyes:

About the only thing he's hasn't yet said is, "How DARE you confront me! I am the Great and Powerful Oz!"
Funny .... I was thinking the very same thing about few around here ....
 
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