Why I Switched

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Let me preface this post with a statement. I am not a CB Rambo. In fact, I really do not enjoy listening to the CB radio as the speaker spews its continual stream of vulgar rants and lewd sexual comments. Nor do I listen to learn the location of law enforcement vehicles, because I do not exceed the speed limit. I listen in an attempt to avoid debris in the roadway, potholes, animals crossing highway and potential slowdowns due to traffic accidents.

In the course of listening to the CB I have heard much complaining. The negative comments have run the gamut of…well…you name it and somebody would conjure up a gripe. Interestingly, when asking the complainant as to how they would resolve their grievance, they generally offered little in the way of a workable solution. The person posing the request commonly was upbeat and positive regarding the probable outcome of the criticism spoken of by grumbler.

The more I listened the more it became apparent that the gloom and doom devotees were those who were quite liberal…politically speaking. Conversely, those who championed the positive aspects of living in this great nation were conservative in their political beliefs.

Could I be bias? Possibly. Why? I consider myself a conservative in my political beliefs. I had to ask myself, “Am I being object in my observation?” Keep in mind that I voted as a Democrat for many years. That fact alone gave me solace that I was being objective, but I needed more just to be sure regarding my observations.

After reading an article about playwright David Mamet it provided the reinforcement I was seeking. I now believe that liberals offer no positive views regarding the world around them or the country in which they live.

David Mamet is a Tony- and Oscar-nominated playwright, screenwriter and film director. His notable plays include Glengarry Glen Ross, which won the Pulitzer Prize in 1984, and Speed-the-Plow. His films include The Verdict, Wag the Dog, The Postman Always Rings Twice and Ronin.He currently writes for and produces the television show “The Unit.”

As an author and essayist, he has accrued a large and loyal following among the Leftist glitterati.

Mamet chose to “come out” with an op-ed published by Norman Mailer’s rag, The Village Voice, entitled, “Why I am no longer a ‘Brain-Dead Liberal’,” in which he outlines, in some detail, his migration from the Left.

According to Mamet, his own transformation began when he “wrote a play about politics, and as part of the ‘writing process,’ I started thinking about politics.” Now there’s a novel concept for Leftist politicos, actually “thinking about politics.”

He notes that central to Leftist thinking is the precept that so much is wrong with America, and responds, “This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong... I took the liberal view for many decades,” says Mamet.

Mamet continues, “In my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part. And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that everything was always wrong... We in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances—that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it.”

Predictably, some of Mamet’s former colleagues and devotees among the ever-tolerant and inclusive ranks of mindless tin men, were quick to condemn Mamet for his changing views: “How sad that an intelligent person like David would write such a simplistic, downright infantile article filled with stereotypes and lacking any substantive insight whatsoever.” “Does this mean that you’ve given up on democracy and thrown in with the authoritarians?” “I had no idea Mamet could be so shallow.” “Mr. Mamet is now simply brain dead.” “I’m saddened to learn David is either a liar or a fool or both.” “Mamet is a political ignoramus who hides his frustration by lashing out at an imagined ‘liberalism’.”

For his part, however, Mamet’s essay is courageous. He joins a long list of Leftists who have moved right, including such notables as David Horowitz, Chris Hitchens, Norm Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Nat Hentoff, Marvin Olasky, Bernard Goldberg and Evan Sayet—all of whom are persona non grata among their old colleagues.

There are also many Democrats who courageously switched political allegiance and became outspoken conservatives, including Charlton Heston, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennett, Phil Gramm, Ben Nighthorse Campbell and Richard Shelby.

Of course, a onetime Democrat also became the 20th century’s greatest champion of conservative philosophy: Ronald Wilson Reagan.

President Reagan said, “I did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.” To the millions of Americans who followed him to the Republican Party, he said, “I know what it’s like to pull the Republican lever for the first time, because I used to be a Democrat myself, and I can tell you it only hurts for a minute, and then it feels great.”
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Rev:
I had made up my mind to not post on this forum again. I got more confused the more I read
and with the different points of view, some hilarious and some down right different. Your post however has brought me back to reality. As long as someone continues to post this kind of nonsense I will post. It will not always make some happy but so be it. If you can post this stuff without laughing you are special. I have and will always believe that if you make less than 100k take home a year you cannot afford to be a Republican. I doubt any of the names mentioned make less than that. If you honestly believe that the beloved Republican party has done a good or should I say adequate job in the last 7 years maybe you should seek some help. The last 7 years have run this country down hill, out of gear overloaded. With no sense of knowing about the 35 mph curve at the bottom. We are rapidly approaching that curve. We should hit that curve just in time for the Democrats to inherit it. Then the next umpteen years we try to dig back out. This will take sacrifice from all of us. Higher taxes probably to pay all the overspending by all of the DC hierarchy. Then we will all cry and moan of how the Democrats always raise taxes and my god the entitlements lets not forget that. When I see post like this it reminds me of what my grandpa told me long ago.
We were looking at some new puppies. He said the ones with their eyes open are Democrats. I said and grandpa what are the ones with their eyes closed. He said they are Republicans. I said how do you know. He said it is easy. They don't have their eyes open yet. I think that is your problem. Look around you read the papers, listen to the radio, watch tv and wake up. We are in a recession. Very close to a depression in the coming months if things don't change. Blame it on 9-11 if you want to use the normal right wing excuse. I choose the other chain of thought. Mismanaged Government. Sorry Rev. but the Republicans were in charge of the Government. Who is to Blame. GW and the crew. Slam my statements or whatever makes you happy. I have never known the Republican party to take the blame for anything that went wrong. Just make dumb excuses of what was supposed to take place and expect everyone of us to believe it. The right wing has choked on the last 7 plus years. You can say what you will. It is the truth, GW had no idea how to run this country. Dumber than a box of rocks. And I voted for him. But I am not on here boasting about the greatness of the Republican party. This administration was like a tug of war. One example:The House and Senate wanted the Mexicans out. GW wanted them in. A party in tune. Don't think so. McCain, just more of the same just add another war or two and you have another GW. Thank you Rev. I feel much better now. Freight kinda slow and this has excited me a little. I have all of this stuff off my chest. I feel better already. I think I will vote Democrat. Whether it's Obama or Hillary it will be a big improvement. Change or more of the same with a Democratic twist. What the hay, if it goes bad we knew the Democrats would get the blame for it anyway.
As always, I do respect your opinion.
FROM THE LEFT. HAVE A GOOD DAY
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greg334

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Robsdad,

The republican party today, as it stands is completely equal to the democratic party. You can throw them all in a brown bag, shake them up and dump them out and they will all look the same. They lost their way and they lost their purpose. If you are of the mindset that the level of income or wealth has anything to do with it, remember that the dems are really for the rich, not the dumb republicans.

I am really puzzled that many don’t get the fact that with Hillary, we will see attempts to bring around fascist style controls for health care and oil, which was like Italy in the 20’s and Germany in the 30’s.

The other fact I don’t get is this desperation to see Obama in office. He is socialist; he will see that we will be brought into control by limiting freedoms. Listening to his speech this morning reminded me of my childhood, sitting at the light guard armory or U of M hearing the same old rhetoric about changing the government.

I think, maybe wrong to say that there is no one that is worthy of sitting in the WH but I don’t see you or others who constantly say where the cause of our problems say what I am saying;

Primaries should be ended

People need to vote, write and visit their representatives

Support and stand for tax replacement – not tax reform

If you are thinking (like I am) we are heading for a depression, then tax replacement is the best for all of us.

And by the way, the congress wants to have open borders, they want to have the invaders here, especially the dems. There are still fights going on within the congress over this issue. Bush was the catalyst for the last big push but remember that Kennedy and McCain were the two, who sponsored the big bill, and McCain insulted you and I by saying there are jobs we won’t do but look at what we actually do. AND remember that the root of the problems the senate faced was talk radio and these voting grass roots organizations, one senator on the senate floor said that it is not right for the people to speak up like this and he wants to put restrictions on us.



I don't like Mccain.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Well Greg:
I guess its down to Nader or not voting according to what I read in your post. If this is the case and you are a Nader fan let's see a list of reasons Nader is the fix.:confused:
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
And yet another false dichotomy ...... the Rev. says the Repubs are the way to go and Robsdad says nope, go with the Dems they have the solution .....

These don't have to be the only choices folks. In fact, the best choice might be "anything but ...."

Greg, you nailed it - they are functionally the same ..... neither is producing solutions to the problems that really need solved. The Repubs have lost their way - and so have the Dems. "Liberal" does not mean what it used to 40 years ago .... and neither does "Conservative" (What can pass for Conservative today is but a cruel joke on those that are being fed the lie that "neo-conservatism" is true conservatism .... same goes for "neo-liberalism" and true liberalism)

Neither JFK or Barry Goldwater would know who these people are.

As far as the people that have switched go, one would do well to examine fully the beliefs these folks actually hold - and from whence they came - not just what some of them say in sound bites on the talking head shows - but by the actions that they themselves take, or that they support. Irving Kristol - or his coke-snorting son William (self-admitted) - as but one example.

To write-off and discount those who are critical of our government as being "Leftist" is rather simplistic. Not all of them are liberals - there are quite a few true Conservatives - some extremely devout, evangelical Christian ones, in fact - who hold such views.

I would consider them far, far more conservative than the list of Neo-Cons which the Rev. posted.

And just be aware that being critical of our government in it's current form or it's recent actions (last 100 years) is not the same as being critical of our country. Entirely two different things .... something that some folks seem to get confused. The government is not the country.

The fact is that there is more than enough blame to go around on both ends of the political spectrum for the condition we currently find ourselves in. Those that cannot see, or in some cases, are not even willing to honestly look, would do well to take off the blinders or remove that spec of dust in their eye.

But one thing is pretty much for sure - as long as the "powers that be" can convince those in the populace to allow themselves into being polarized into two separate and opposing factions you can pretty much count on more of the same.
 
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Robsdad

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Rlent:
I understand what you and Greg are saying. What I have asked is in the voting process, what are our choices in this election.
1.Republican
2.Democrat
3.Nader
Give me a break here. I have no clue and neither do you out of this bunch who has any answers. Blame is placed on the party that is in office at the time. You know that don't be saying you don't. Or is this more of never taking the blame as I stated. It smells that way. Is all of it the fault of the Republicans, no, I did not say that. I said the spending of the DC spenders. That includes all spenders.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
There is no choice, that is the problem. We actually have no one who is worthy of the office. Even the people who started out in the primaries were not worth spit.

If you really want to see things change, start complaining about the primaries.

I think that the administration in power at the time of problems is also a cop out. It don't matter what administration is in power, it matters who sits in your senate and rep's seat. They shape things, they make laws and they spend the money.

And when I was perusing Washington, I was told something that many don't think is true. Presidential policies don't generally affect things for at least 4 to 6 years. By the time many of the policies actually effect things, the president is planning his library.
 

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
robsdad, it is not the person we vote as president. that person is only 1/3 of the government and the smalest part . the legislative is the largest. we need to look closer at the representatives of the people as to better leadership. they need to have their appearances attended and then questions asked in forums. answers requested in e-mail. my current reps have no clues about transportation. being true politicians they answer....looking in it. looking at it will not get my vote in the next election.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
So what you are saying is the Bush plans of his first four years are what we are reaping now. Thank you for admitting it. The trouble in the state of Kentucky we are in the bible belt. That is a bad statement. We are proudly in the bible belt. But we have two senators. Both Republican and you guessed it. Both big spenders. I have many times in the pass written them letters about their spending habits. All I get is a letter explaining to me that I do not understand the economic impact of their decisions to spend. What I do understand is the impact upon my wallet. Getting these two out of office will take more money than I could ever fathom.
I would almost bet if you researched it you would find they all protect their turf that way. The only way to remove a republican in Kentucky is if he gets caught stealing or in the bathroom with the wrong person. These two will be up there longer than Strom Thurman.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Robsdad,
let me explain that I voted for Bush because I didn't want to see ALGORE or Kerry in office - both to me would have made a bigger mess and are less in touch with reality. In the past I have said that we can not impeach Bush over Iraq, which seems to be the thing that everyone has been focused on but rather impeach him for his lack of concern over the border, the conviction of the border agents and the lack of pushing the laws he, himself has pushed through to limit banking from allowing people without proper ID access to fund transfers (opening bank accounts and getting credit cards).

With all that said, of course you will never get a response in asking why are they spending so much money, they will ignore questions and comments like that. but rather you need to focus on one issue at a time and keep driving it home every time you contact them. For example, I wrote to levin about why he wants to bail out bad behavior and put in my personal experiences that no one bailed me out and the jobs are not to be found. I got a response every time with a thorough explanation, but that is not good enough for me, I do not want him to bail anyone out but get the country on the right track so we all can prosper.

Right now as I type, my state representative is facing a recall, he voted for and supports Grandholm's increase in taxes but the people don't. Now I met him a few times, I talked to him about three issues, one was the taxes we pay and how it has effected the state but I was not going to sign the petition until I heard that staffers from his office have been down here intimidating people who sign the petition, his office stated that these people are free to do what ever they want because it is their vacation time, BS - now I will sign it. I wrote to him and called his office to tell them I am not only signing it but I am taking an extra day off to go around my neighborhood and have people sign the petition because his actions (or inactions) and excuses are not acceptable to me and my family. I think his staff is a direct reflection on him and his office and it tells me that his staff have no ethics at all, we have the right to recall him and it is none of their business because they are not registered voted of his district.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Not one of the candidates platform includes the revamping of the GI Bill which has been underfunded for quite a few years now in the budget cuts...there is going to be a few hundred thousand troops coming home that will need thier countries help...Not one has introduced a solid idea to put America back to work....Not one has said a word about what the price of oil is doing to this country and come up with any viable ideas??? All they can do is talk about themselves and each other.
 

Moot

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"Why I Am No Longer a 'Brain-Dead Liberal'" By Mark Alexander
web posted March 17, 2008
Nothing annoys a liberal more than when one of their celebrated intelligentsia defects toward the Right.
This week, yet another Leftist icon, David Mamet, announced he is coming to his senses.
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Mamet is a Tony- and Oscar-nominated playwright, screenwriter and film director. His notable plays include Glengarry Glen Ross, which won the Pulitzer Prize in 1984, and Speed-the-Plow. His films include The Verdict, Wag the Dog, The Postman Always Rings Twice and Ronin (a personal favorite).He currently writes for and produces the television show "The Unit."
As an author and essayist, he has accrued a large and loyal following among the Leftist glitterati.
Mamet chose to "come out" with an op-ed published by Norman Mailer's rag, The Village Voice, entitled, "Why I am no longer a ‘Brain-Dead Liberal'," in which he outlines, in some detail, his migration from the Left.
Mamet opens his essay with a quote from macro economist John Maynard Keynes, who responded to a challenge about his changing views, saying, "When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
You may recall that Keynes, whose early 20th century writings advocated the "New Deal" socialist economic policies still embraced by Democrats, was roundly criticized for adjusting his economic opinion after free market economist Friedrich von Hayek critiqued Keynes' 1930 Treatise on Money. In fact, after reading Hayek's seminal condemnation of socialism, The Road to Serfdom, Keynes proclaimed, "Morally and philosophically I find myself in agreement with virtually the whole of it: and not only in agreement with it, but in deeply moved agreement." (Apparently, Demos did not get the memo.)
According to Mamet, his own transformation began when he "wrote a play about politics, and as part of the ‘writing process,' I started thinking about politics." Now there's a novel concept for Leftist politicos, actually "thinking about politics."
He notes that central to Leftist thinking is the precept that so much is wrong with America, and responds, "This is, to me, the synthesis of this worldview with which I now found myself disenchanted: that everything is always wrong... I took the liberal view for many decades," says Mamet, "but I believe I have changed my mind."
Mamet continues, "In my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part. And, I wondered, how could I have spent decades thinking that everything was always wrong... We in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances—that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it."
Mamet contrasts current criticisms of President George Bush with the Left's most revered protagonist, John F. Kennedy: "Bush got us into Iraq, JFK into Vietnam. Bush stole the election in Florida; Kennedy stole his in Chicago. Bush outed a CIA agent; Kennedy left hundreds of them to die in the surf at the Bay of Pigs. Bush lied about his military service; Kennedy accepted a Pulitzer Prize for a book written by Ted Sorenson. Bush was in bed with the Saudis, Kennedy with the Mafia."
On capitalism: "Oh, and I began to question my hatred for ‘the Corporations,' the hatred of which, I found, was but the flip side of my hunger for those goods and services they provide and without which we could not live."
On the military: "And I began to question my distrust of the ‘Bad, Bad Military' of my youth, which, I saw, was then and is now made up of those men and women who actually risk their lives to protect the rest of us from a very hostile world."
On the Left's relentless classist rhetoric: "Classes in the United States are mobile, not static, which is the Marxist view. That is: Immigrants came and continue to come here penniless and can (and do) become rich; the nerd makes a trillion dollars; the single mother, penniless and ignorant of English, sends her two sons to college (my grandmother). On the other hand, the rich and the children of the rich can go belly-up; the hegemony of the railroads is appropriated by the airlines, that of the networks by the Internet; and the individual may and probably will change status more than once within his lifetime."
On the freedom to think: "Prior to the midterm elections, my rabbi was taking a lot of flack. The congregation is exclusively liberal, he is a self-described independent (read ‘conservative'), and he was driving the flock wild. Why? Because a) he never discussed politics; and b) he taught that the quality of political discourse must be addressed first—that Jewish law teaches that it is incumbent upon each person to hear the other fellow out. I, like many of the liberal congregation, began, teeth grinding, to attempt to do so. And in doing so, I recognized that I held two views of America (politics, government, corporations, the military). One was of a state where everything was magically wrong and must be immediately corrected at any cost; and the other—the world in which I actually functioned day to day—was made up of people, most of whom were reasonably trying to maximize their comfort by getting along with each other (in the workplace, the marketplace, the jury room, on the freeway, even at the school-board meeting)."
He concludes, "I realized that the time had come for me to avow my participation in that America in which I chose to live, and that that country was not a schoolroom teaching values, but a marketplace. I began reading not only the economics of Thomas Sowell (our greatest contemporary philosopher) but Milton Friedman, Paul Johnson, and Shelby Steele, and a host of conservative writers, and found that I agreed with them: a free-market understanding of the world meshes more perfectly with my experience than that idealistic vision I called liberalism."
Predictably, some of Mamet's former colleagues and devotees among the ever-tolerant and inclusive ranks of mindless tin men, were quick to condemn Mamet for his changing views: "How sad that an intelligent person like David would write such a simplistic, downright infantile article filled with stereotypes and lacking any substantive insight whatsoever." "Does this mean that you've given up on democracy and thrown in with the authoritarians?" "I had no idea Mamet could be so shallow." "Mr. Mamet is now simply brain dead." "I'm saddened to learn David is either a liar or a fool or both." "Mamet is a political ignoramus who hides his frustration by lashing out at an imagined ‘liberalism'."
Notably, many of his Lefty critics mentioned Mamet's faith: "Our old friend Mamet is perhaps too rich and too Jewish." And more to the point: "It's been apparent for quite some time that Mamet is a Zionist. This screed is just additional evidence."
For his part, however, Mamet's essay is courageous. He joins a long list of Leftists who have moved right, including such notables as David Horowitz, Chris Hitchens, Norm Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Nat Hentoff, Marvin Olasky, Bernard Goldberg and Evan Sayet—all of whom are persona non grata among their old colleagues.
There are also many Democrats who courageously switched political allegiance and became outspoken conservatives, including Charlton Heston, Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennett, Phil Gramm, Ben Nighthorse Campbell and Richard Shelby.
Of course, a onetime Democrat also became the 20th century's greatest champion of conservative philosophy: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
President Reagan said, "I did not leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me." To the millions of Americans who followed him to the Republican Party, he said, "I know what it's like to pull the Republican lever for the first time, because I used to be a Democrat myself, and I can tell you it only hurts for a minute, and then it feels great."
And a footnote: I can list countless Americans who have moved from the ideological Left to the Right, but I am hard pressed to name a single established conservative who has moved Left.
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Mark Alexander is the executive editor of the Patriot Post.



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Robsdad

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Moot:
Did you think posting this would change the minds of millions? Or did you think it would draw a response from me. Hopefully the later. But you have caught me speechless because I have no problem with anyone that would wish to jump ship. I however may or may not vote.
Reason being. Neither party has shown me that they deserve it at this time. The Republican party is however at a disadvantage. I would not vote for McCain if my life itself depended on it. That may sound stupid to you, let me explain. I feel and have posted he will have us in a war with Iran within 2 years of his inauguration . Is that something I read, saw on tv or heard someone say. NO!
Merely my opinion. I do not believe he has ever seen a war he didn't like.
Hillary will be in Evansville, In. tomorrow. I don't know if I will go see her or not. If I do, you can bet I will ask her what she plans to do about the suffering trucking industry. With a good plan on that question she may just get my vote. Key word here being "may". If you have or have not followed my posts my opinion of the Republican Party has went straight down hill due basically to the track record of the present administration. Trust me, I am not alone on this issue. There are many in the republican party that are secretly jumping ship. No true Republican can possibly agree with this administrations actions. If you do. You may not be a Republican after all.:cool:

 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
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Robsdad, my post was not intended to draw a response from you. I was merely posting the article in its entirety and crediting the original author.

I find it amusing that you were the first to reply to Dhalltoyo's post without apparently ever reading it. Better get those 2 trick knees looked at.

Be sure to post Hillary's comments on "
what she plans to do about the suffering trucking industry. " Then ask her if organized labor, CRASH, and the railroad industry will be supporting her!

And please go to the polls and vote.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Just 1 trick knee thank you. LOL
I read both the Rev and yours. Nothing more to me than people jumping ship. Believe me, Democrats are much more open. Wait until Nov. you will see how many tight lipped Republicans are jumping. They probably will not vote for the Dems. They more than likely just won't vote.
It amazes me how some of you guys can remain so steadfast on your party. They stink and smell just like the other one.
Have a good day and don't rush my other knee. I need one good one.:)
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Democrats are much more open.

Huh?

You are kidding, right?

I have yet seen openness in the party, and got to tell you that my experience goes back a long way with the party, watching and remembering a lot of 'openness' from them. ;)
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
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Robsdad: "But you have caught me speechless because I have no problem with anyone that would wish to jump ship. I however may or may not vote."

Robsdad:
Wait until Nov. you will see how many tight lipped Republicans are jumping. They probably will not vote for the Dems. They more than likely just won't vote.

Robsdad: Hillary will be in Evansville, In. tomorrow. I don't know if I will go see her or not. If I do, you can bet I will ask her what she plans to do about the suffering trucking industry. With a good plan on that question she may just get my vote.

Moot: Ask her if organized labor, CRASH and the railroad industry will be supporting her.

 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
If the answer to that question is NO. Then if that is your criteria you have but 2 choices. Obama and McCain. What will you do then? Perhaps pitch two feathers and vote for the first one that hits the ground.
My statement about the Democrats were a bit more open, is to state that I believe a Democrat would be more likely to make it public than would a Republican making the move in the opposite direction. I base that on the direction McCain has taken the over the past years. He didn't make it public but he sided with a lot of Democratic legislation but he didn't publish an article on it. Could it be he is a closet Democrat? ROFLMAO:D

 

Dog_House2691

Seasoned Expediter
Ask Hilly what she's going to do about the Trucking Industry,she will tell you exactly what you want to hear since she is very good at that.The solution to the oil problem is drilling in this country and building new refineries,take the oil before the cubans get it or they will be our next supplier.Just research who has stopped these things from happening!
 
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