Who has it tougher?

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
While reading another post about fleet owners vs drivers it got me thinking. Who has it tougher?
My personal observation since we have been on both sides of the coin several times, is that they are essentially the same.
There are a hundred scenarios one could throw out there that would tip the scale either way. Most of it would depend on how engaged one is on either side.
There are some fleet owners that do nothing more than throw the keys to a team and forget about them, and the hired team that is nothing more than steering wheel holders.

Both have similar but different impacts when the economy slows. The driver could lose his truck just as easy as the fleet owner, but the single truck owner only has his truck to direct. For a fleet owner, it can get more complicated. It isn't just the equipment at that point, but the teams they have that are driving.
We are witnessing this now as many fleet owners are going out of business.

Family issues, illness, breakdowns, and a host of other issues can be a deal breaker for a single truck operation. The fleet owner can spread those costs easier UNTIL it effects several trucks. Then it becomes a much different ball game.
Slow freight coupled with rate reductions and the like can be equally hard on both sides as we have witnessed through several posts.

I think over time for both, the ones that are continually engaged will either still be here a year from now, recognize they must exit and do it profitably, or quite possibly be in line behind their drivers in the unemployment line.
 
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moonstrucker

Seasoned Expediter
I completely agree with your take on this!

We view our part in this business as a team enterprise. The company we are hauling for, the fleet owner, and us. We make our decisions based upon all three of these factors.

When deciding whether to accept loads, we have a formula and if the truck makes it's *bottom line* or better, we are good to go. We also take into consideration the fuel costs even though we are not paying for the fuel.

I think that if you treat it (the truck, the loads, the entire business) as your own - well, you'll be okay.

We are rather new to this (4 months) expediting world, but thus far it's been very good and we are learning a lot and doing well.

I think bottom line is, you cannot just go out there and think *only* of yourself. You must look at it as a team venture.

Just my two cents....
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It is a team effort. Based on the occasional post, some feel the other way. They are more focused on whether they are getting ripped off and whatever else.
Sadly, some bad apples (both owners and drivers) fell out of the basket and created that type of environment.
Greed or a self serving agenda are usually the common denominator.

Kind of like a two headed dragon.:eek:
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So when you are making this team "consideration". Do you take into account the bonus money an owner gets for every mile driven? My thinking is...using E-1 as an example because I know the numbers there....an owner gets .05 cents for every mile every truck does as long as he/she has 5 trucks signed on....that adds up to a chunk of change over a month....AND then theres the bonus plan for trucks that do over 5,000 miles a week!!
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I am not at EI so it is hard for me to comment on that. I think on the bonuses, they should be done 60/40 or 40/60 depending on how they are paid.

Since we are at Panther, their version of a bonus is a higher rate per mile for additional trucks. My drivers make 60 percent on everything, including that pay differential. Same with government loads ect.
I don't keep a higher portion just because I have X amount of trucks.
With regards to EM's, I pay 100 percent on that because that is designed to offset fuel costs if migrating to a better area.
It is fairly minimal because we seldom do them.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I am not at EI so it is hard for me to comment on that. I think on the bonuses, they should be done 60/40 or 40/60 depending on how they are paid.

Since we are at Panther, their version of a bonus is a higher rate per mile for additional trucks. My drivers make 60 percent on everything, including that pay differential. Same with government loads ect.
I don't keep a higher portion just because I have X amount of trucks.
With regards to EM's, I pay 100 percent on that because that is designed to offset fuel costs if migrating to a better area.
It is fairly minimal because we seldom do them.

Thats fair enough...you are an honest man Dave...some owners don't even like to mention the bonus plan or admit it exists in some form.:)
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Thats fair enough...you are an honest man Dave...some owners don't even like to mention the bonus plan or admit it exists in some form.:)

That is a place where some distrust can start.
Same with owners that keep a portion of the FSC.
That is rediculous if the driver is paying for the fuel.
Yet it still happens.
That two headed dragon again
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
That is a place where some distrust can start.
Same with owners that keep a portion of the FSC.
That is rediculous if the driver is paying for the fuel.
Yet it still happens.
That two headed dragon again

*LOL* that dragon sure pops up when you least expect it...in the oddest places!!
 
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