when white will embrace what is right

chefdennis

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So just what will the White people embrace as Right? Is it now time that whites admit that they really were "the man whtat was keeping brither down!?!"

Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery:

'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...__________________
 

Turtle

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I'm pretty sure the the right reverend's inspiration for the last paragraph of his benediction was inspired by these lyrics:

"If you're white, you're all right.
If you're brown, stick around.
But if you're black, oh, brother --
Get back! Get Back! Get back!"


William (Big Bill) Broonzy's "Black, White and Brown Blues"

Big Bill Broonzy, a Chicago musician via Mississippi and Arkansas, was one of the most important Blues singers of his day. He replaced Robert Johnson at the famous 1938 Carnegie Hall concert a week after Johnson was murdered.

Big Bill also had a famous dream. "It Was Just A Dream"
"Dreamed I was in the White House, sittin' in the president's chair.
I dreamed he's shaking my hand, said "Bill, I'm glad you're here".
But that was just a dream. What a dream I had on my mind.
And when I woke up, not a chair could I find"


In any case, here's the full text of Rev. Lowery's benediction.

God of our weary years, God of our silent tears, thou, who has brought us thus far along the way, thou, who has by thy might led us into the light, keep us forever in the path we pray, lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met thee, lest our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget thee.

Shadowed beneath thy hand, may we forever stand true to thee, oh God, and true to our native land. We truly give thanks for the glorious experience we've shared this day.

We pray now, oh Lord, for your blessing upon thy servant Barack Obama, the 44th president of these United States, his family and his administration.

He has come to this high office at a low moment in the national, and indeed the global, fiscal climate. But because we know you got the whole world in your hands, we pray for not only our nation, but for the community of nations.

Our faith does not shrink though pressed by the flood of mortal ills. For we know that, Lord, you are able and you're willing to work through faithful leadership to restore stability, mend our brokenness, heal our wounds, and deliver us from the exploitation of the poor, of the least of these, and from favoritism toward the rich, the elite of these.

We thank you for the empowering of thy servant, our 44th president, to inspire our nation to believe that yes we can work together to achieve a more perfect union.

And while we have sown the seeds of greed — the wind of greed and corruption, and even as we reap the whirlwind of social and economic disruption, we seek forgiveness and we come in a spirit of unity and solidarity to commit our support to our president by our willingness to make sacrifices, to respect your creation, to turn to each other and not on each other.

And now, Lord, in the complex arena of human relations, help us to make choices on the side of love, not hate; on the side of inclusion, not exclusion; tolerance, not intolerance.

And as we leave this mountain top, help us to hold on to the spirit of fellowship and the oneness of our family. Let us take that power back to our homes, our workplaces, our churches, our temples, our mosques, or wherever we seek your will.
Bless President Barack, First Lady Michelle. Look over our little angelic Sasha and Malia.

We go now to walk together as children, pledging that we won't get weary in the difficult days ahead. We know you will not leave us alone.

With your hands of power and your heart of love, help us then, now, Lord, to work for that day when nations shall not lift up sword against nation, when tanks will be beaten into tractors, when every man and every woman shall sit under his or her own vine and fig tree and none shall be afraid, when justice will roll down like waters and righteousness as a mighty stream.

Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around ... when yellow will be mellow ... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right.

That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen.
 

chefdennis

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you are absolutely right, it was from an old blues tune , we heard it in the late 60's also, as a way to put "whitey" down....

And here all along we were told this election wasn't about race......
 

layoutshooter

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The only right thing this AMERICAN is going to do is take care of MY life and MY families business. NOT anyones elses. That is my responsiblity and my ONLY one. Layoutshooter
 

chefdennis

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I have re read this a few times and that last paragraph finally hit me, it isn't so much the end of it, but the sentence before it:

Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around ... when yellow will be mellow ... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right.

Was that day yesterday?? Was he still saying that the minorities are still being held down because white doesn't embrace what is right, and now that osamaba is now in office that the whites will finally get it?

I was basically called a racist yesterday on this forum and thats all well and good because that person doesn't know me at all. To me osamabas color doesn't make a difference at all, he is simply a "politicitian (and a **** good and sleazy one at that) that is black".. He did nothing any different in lying to the people while running that no other politician hasn't none. It is just his policies and contempt for our Constitution that has alot of people up in arms. So for this old pastor who has a long history of civil rights issues sayes a prayer with a line like that, what is he saying?
 

layoutshooter

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Nope, you cannot disagree with Obama and not be a racist. I bet I can even prove it. Remeber the last 8 years, anti-Bush tee shirts, bumper stickers, hats, buttons etc. I defy ANYONE to wear an "Obama Sucks" tee shirt and walk across a truck stop parking lot or downtown Detroit. Do you think that your Right to Political Free speech will be respected? I don't think so. The old "Double Standard" would most likely get you beat up or killed. Of course, that would not be a hate crime. Only white racists can commit hate crimes. This "whatever" he is was elected solely on race. Had to be, he is not qualified to be dog catcher. I still just do not under stand how a man with an entry lever backround is in that office. Must have been bought and paid for. So much for the black man never being owned again. Obama is the highest paid political :censoredsign: in the country. Layoutshooter
 

Turtle

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The old pastor, and Obama well knows that the whole world was watching yesterday. If you are racist especially, and zero in on that last paragraph (as so many Web sites have done), and if you try to view it within the narrow scope (I love a good pun) of this country's racist past and in Lowery's connection to it all (especially in highlighting the very line you highlighted, as if to say that, "Here racism no longer exists, so why is he using that line in the future tense?"), then it's going to be viewed as racist at best, and a slap in the face of whitey at worst.

But if you take the paragraph in context along with the entire benediction, it takes on a new meaning. And if you look at it in from a world view, a world where many places remain where blacks are indeed asked to get in back and all the rest, a world where racism still exists and is prevalent among not just whites and blacks but of all colors, he is simply saying, he is praying for God to help us to work for that day when racism is at an end, and the world is no longer considered, by anyone, to be a white man's world. He knows that racism here and elsewhere didn't suddenly end with the election of Obama, and he's asking that in the memory of all of the saints who worked so hard and are now dead, who helped to end racism (MLK, to be sure, but many others), to continue the work to finally reach the day where race truly doesn't matter.

It's not a dig at whites, although the fact that me mentioned it will forever make it so to many people. But those are the very same people who needs to rethink a few things about the world and their place in it. Some will never change their mind, as their thinking will only be changed by the passing of generations. This country has come a long, long way in 40 very shorts years, barely more than one generation. We're not there yet, as we have a long way to go, both here and around the world. But we have a chance, it is within our grasp, right here right now, to make great leaps forward. Let's not blow it. That's what the Rev is saying.


Incidentally, you are racist. We all are in one way or another. Well, except most of these new kids. The news kids don't think like we do. As an example, you made a statement that, to you, Obama's color doesn't make any difference, that to you he is simply a politician who is black.

There's the difference right there. To these new kids, Obama isn't a politician who is black, he's simply a politician.

These kids in their early 20's, the college aged kids, and the ones younger, black, white, I promise you, it never enters their thinking. That's a concept that is very hard, nearly impossible, for us old farts to wrap our feeble little minds around. It never...enters....their thinking. That's astounding. And it truly doesn't, unless they have been taught that it should. It never occurs to them that black or white or Hispanic or whatever should even be an issue in any way, shape or form. How bizarre is that?

It's like, for example, an 18 year old black kid, he hasn't a clue, not an inkling, of what it was like to be black in the 60's, to be hosed down in the streets of some southern Alabama town. Oh, he can be told, and he can be shown video, but he'll never really know. It's out of his experience. Just like he'll never know the feeling of watching Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. He'll never know the importance of that event, the importance of science, of civilization, of the political landscape of which it was an integral part, of how it affected the entire planet.

They think differently, on a fundamental level, and old farts have a problem understanding that. We view Obama through our eyes, through our experiences, through our way of thinking. And our way is fundamentally different from their way. And you know what? We're rapidly becoming outnumbered. Many of us have a real problem with that. And the older we get, the bigger problem we have with it.
 

layoutshooter

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I am an old fart and I can think just fine. I just cannot stand hearing lazy people whine that they don't have what hard working people do and use that to justify stealing it from me. The new "National Anthem" of the "New Left"

""Hallalluja I'm a bum, Hallalluja again!!! Hallalluja give us handout to revive us again!!!""


The "Gimmie" Generation now rules. That is not racist Turtle. That is just what it is. This bunch comming up today feel they are "OWED" and I the government won't steal from us and give to them, they will.

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Turtle

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No, I know it's not racist. But it is a perfect example of thinking different. You thinking just "just fine" doesn't necessarily mean that you're right and everyone else is wrong. It likely means you don't much like change, tho. The world is what you make it, and it's now theirs to make, for the most part. The world changes with every generation, some for the good, some for the bad, but the exiting generation rarely has much say in it.
 

chefdennis

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Thanks for your perspective turtle.

As an old fart, his color makes no difference to me, its his politics that i won't let go of, as I said in another post there are more then a few minorities I could vote for, of alot od colors...As for the kids, yea those white kids standing back and looking, some are where you say they are some aren't. Now for most of kids of his race, not all but a large majority of them are as layout said, (and to a lesser extent more and more white kids also) are just part of the "Gimme" society, or the "if you ain't goin to give it to me, i am goin to take it from you society"..

But again, thanks for your perspective.
 

Turtle

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Well, if you sayso. But the Gimme, Gimme, Gimme crowd and your view of them doesn't explain away why you highlighted the line you did, why that line bothered you enough to set it apart. That's your old fart thinking. :D

BTW, I'm in my 50's, too. Just at really low number in the 50's. And I was at Woodstock. Well, OK, I was there in 1992, but I was there!

But what a difference just a few years can make. In 1968, for most of that year I was still 10 years old. And at 10 years old, I thought all the hippies and all the black marches and all the war stuff was just out-there nuts. Couldn't see any rhyme nor reason for any of it. As I grew older I came to understand the reasons for it, but I'll never understand it the same way that someone even 8 or 10 years older than me will, much less someone 20 years older than me. And it's the same thing now in reverse, as I'll never understand the things in the same way that someone much younger than I, nor they me.

But, at least do, in fact, understand that. So I try to make it a point to look at things with that in mind.

I learn a lot that way.
 

layoutshooter

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Turtle, here are just a FEW of the reasons I am just SO fed up. I had one email that said the "I" of all people was not much of a patriot because I regret serving this nation after seeing how things are turning out. Un-real. I am exiting soon, but not quietly. I will go out kicking and screaming. I will fight all the way. This "BUM" of a President will NEVER rule me.

read below.
 

GracieB

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We, as a nation, have a legally elected new commander in chief and President. If you cannot even respect him enough to use his name, Dennie, I am certainly glad I never told you my "real" name!
We have a representative democracy. Our President, and I am proud to call him MY President, was elected both by electoral votes and popular vote! That is not how it has always gone.

And you, layoutshooter, can just go bury yourself in those hunting forests you love and leave our wonderful and varied cities to people who want to see the positivie side.

My rose colored glasses lost their tint as I came of age in the late 60s and early 70s, however, my optimism continues. Because I believe we want better. I have worked in the inner city and seen the othe side, the people who are so beaten down they don't even know how to stand any longer, as well as those who really want to do something and the breaks never seem to come.

My God says to give a hand, and yes, hold people accountable. But give them a chance first. if President Obama, working through and with the representatives and citizens of this country, can accomplish a small fraction of what he spoke about...oh my!

GracieB
 

Scott101

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The news kids don't think like we do. As an example, you made a statement that, to you, Obama's color doesn't make any difference, that to you he is simply a politician who is black.

There's the difference right there. To these new kids, Obama isn't a politician who is black, he's simply a politician.

These kids in their early 20's, the college aged kids, and the ones younger, black, white, I promise you, it never enters their thinking.

That's a pretty broad statement. Apparently you didn't see jay z and young jeezy slinging racial slurs around at their inaugural ball. These rapper type guys are very influential to our youth and by the sounds of the cheers in the background I would say the ballers were loving the message. These guys release songs like "My President is black" and other racist songs whose titles would be unreadable after EO's filter got done with them.

Heck, Even Larry King's 8 yr old son wishes he was black! LoL! I'm sorry to say I don't think our youth is racist free.

I am glad we have a black President. It's his policies that scare me. Also I think the "reverse" racism should absolutely be pointed out and denounced. It's a net positive to show that racism is not just whitey keeping the black man down. It's simply another social problem we all have in common.
 

Turtle

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Yeah, it's a rather broad statement, but it's broadly true. Kids today, despite the rappers and others trying their best to divide, really haven't experienced it, so they don't care. Racism is still here, and it always will be. As long as people are different, and they can see that, it'll be here. It is far different today than it was when I was a kid, and it will be different 40 years from now.

Of course, as long as people continue to point out the differences among us, in the guise of celebrating diversity, rather than pointing out the things we have in common, it'll take that much longer.
 
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