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layoutshooter

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Nothing like an assumption of guilt on the part of Virgin Airlines. This guy should sue that airlines purple!

Imagine what things like this teach kids. ALL adult males are to be feared. They are out to harm you. It is not even safe to sit next to them on an airplane. They are likely to molest you. How sad. How disgusting.



[h=1]Man Seated Next to Unaccompanied Minors[/h][h=1]Forced to Change Seats[/h]
A man traveling from to Brisbane from Sydney was asked to change his seats so he would no longer be next to two unaccompanied minors on a Virgin Australia flight.


A flight attendant asked 33-year-old Sydney fireman Johnny McGirr to switch seats with a woman after he was seated next to two young boys on an April flight, the Sydney Morning Herald reported. McGirr, who wrote about his experience in a blog post titled "My Virgin experience as a Paedophile!"said he was seated next to two boys he estimated to be ten years old.


He said he was approached and told he had to move. When he asked why, he was told, "Well, because you are male, you can't be seated next to two unaccompanied minors." He said he thought the request was sexist and discriminatory, but was told it was the airline's policy.


"As I collected my things from the seat pocket I could see people looking at me and wondering why I was being moved. I was red from embarrassment. I felt like I was being judged and found guilty of a crime I hadn't committed. It was an uncomfortable situation and I felt ashamed which was a weird feeling because I hadn't done anything wrong."


McGirr wrote to the airline to complain.


A spokeswoman for Virgin Australia confirmed the policy to the paper and said while the airline did not want to offend male passengers, its priority was the safety of children. "In our experience, most guests thoroughly understand that the welfare of the child is our priority," she said.


The spokeswoman told the newspaper that staff usually tried to keep the seat empty but, when that was not possible, a woman was seated next to the child.


On the airline's blog and on Twitter, Virgin Australia said: "We understand the concerns raised around our policy for children traveling alone, a long standing policy initially based on customer feedback.


"In light of recent feedback, we're now reviewing this policy. Our intention is certainly not to discriminate in any way."


ABC News was unable to reach Virgin Australia directly for comment.



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skyraider

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Nothing like an assumption of guilt on the part of Virgin Airlines. This guy should sue that airlines purple!

Imagine what things like this teach kids. ALL adult males are to be feared. They are out to harm you. It is not even safe to sit next to them on an airplane. They are likely to molest you. How sad. How disgusting.



[h=1]Man Seated Next to Unaccompanied Minors[/h][h=1]Forced to Change Seats[/h]
A man traveling from to Brisbane from Sydney was asked to change his seats so he would no longer be next to two unaccompanied minors on a Virgin Australia flight.


A flight attendant asked 33-year-old Sydney fireman Johnny McGirr to switch seats with a woman after he was seated next to two young boys on an April flight, the Sydney Morning Herald reported. McGirr, who wrote about his experience in a blog post titled "My Virgin experience as a Paedophile!"said he was seated next to two boys he estimated to be ten years old.


He said he was approached and told he had to move. When he asked why, he was told, "Well, because you are male, you can't be seated next to two unaccompanied minors." He said he thought the request was sexist and discriminatory, but was told it was the airline's policy.


"As I collected my things from the seat pocket I could see people looking at me and wondering why I was being moved. I was red from embarrassment. I felt like I was being judged and found guilty of a crime I hadn't committed. It was an uncomfortable situation and I felt ashamed which was a weird feeling because I hadn't done anything wrong."


McGirr wrote to the airline to complain.


A spokeswoman for Virgin Australia confirmed the policy to the paper and said while the airline did not want to offend male passengers, its priority was the safety of children. "In our experience, most guests thoroughly understand that the welfare of the child is our priority," she said.


The spokeswoman told the newspaper that staff usually tried to keep the seat empty but, when that was not possible, a woman was seated next to the child.


On the airline's blog and on Twitter, Virgin Australia said: "We understand the concerns raised around our policy for children traveling alone, a long standing policy initially based on customer feedback.


"In light of recent feedback, we're now reviewing this policy. Our intention is certainly not to discriminate in any way."


ABC News was unable to reach Virgin Australia directly for comment.



Man Seated Next to Unaccompanied Minors Forced to Change Seats | ABC News - Yahoo! News

wow,,what if the lady had been a lot lizzard,,hey,,lizzards fly , dont they?

On a more serious note: With the paranoia of sexual predators, kidnapping of kids, and the on going shootings in movie theaters, and schools, many businesses are in a state of panic these days. I can see the mans point here that was asked to move, it could be an embarrasing moment imho, but its a crazy world now, no ethics, no morals, no yes sir and no maam taught today. The guy on the plane, never had a chance, but then again, he was a nobody, not like if it had been a TV preacher, whoops, u cant trust preachers , can you?
 
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I would be suing. What makes anyone think that, one, women are any better to have seated next to kids, and two, that man was a child molester? It is FAR more likely that he was a good, decent man who happened to get seated next to two kids on an airplane. Just another case of sexual discrimination against men. Seems to be a norm today.
 

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I have no problem with it, only a big deal when people make it one.

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scottm4211

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Many here complain about lawyers and waste, yet call for the bankrupting of a company based on a dumb policy that wil be changed based on a blog post and not a billion dollar lawsuit. Amazing.
 

cheri1122

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I would be suing.

And people thought the Stella case was frivolous - what injuries would you claim? And how much compensation would it take to get over it? :rolleyes:

What makes anyone think that, one, women are any better to have seated next to kids, and two, that man was a child molester?

Did you read the airline's response? The policy was based on customer feedback, NOT the airline's assumptions, so blame the passengers who prompted it.

It is FAR more likely that he was a good, decent man who happened to get seated next to two kids on an airplane. Just another case of sexual discrimination against men. Seems to be a norm today.

Sexual discrimination against men? Puhleeeeze. When the subject is pedophiles, [or mass murdered or serial killers] the perpetrators are men, almost without exception. That's what makes most people think it's safer for kids to be in close proximity to strangers who are female: because it's statistically true.
Which does NOT justify the assumption that it's unsafe to allow unaccompanied minors to sit beside a man - that's just stupid. But again: it wasn't the airline that thought so, it was the customers. And [contrary to popular slogans] the customer is not always right - or even reasonable. [Or even remotely capable of logic, sometimes!] I wonder just how concerned the parents who suggested the policy really are - would they put their child in a cab alone? How about a hired limo? What if the child needs to use the restroom in the airport? OMG - there's no place that's truly safe, is there?
As Scott pointed out, the publicity was all that was needed for the airline to reconsider the wrongheaded policy. The 'concerned parents' can provide security for the children they're worried about, even if they have to hire someone.
Just hope they don't get one of those women who sees the devil in a child.......



 

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I can't help but wonder what sort of inappropriate behavior the concerned flight attendant thought might happen on a crowded airplane?
 

bobwg

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I dont have a problem with the policy my problem is how they went about it they should have seated the kids first then checked to see who was assigned to the seat next to them during checkin and made the seat change before the man got to the seat in the first place
 

bobwg

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As for cabs/taxi yes kids ride in cabs everyday during the school year I drove a cab in St Louis for 2 years and the cab companies have a contract with school districts to pickup school kids to take them to school or where ever, some of them are part of the desegregation program , some are going to charter schools , etc. We had to undergo FBI background checks , fingerprints etc and even if you did not haul school kids you still had to be fingerprinted , police record check, dot physical, etc.
 

layoutshooter

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Sexual discrimination against men? Puhleeeeze. When the subject is pedophiles, [or mass murdered or serial killers] the perpetrators are men, almost without exception. That's what makes most people think it's safer for kids to be in close proximity to strangers who are female: because it's statistically true.
Which does NOT justify the assumption that it's unsafe to allow unaccompanied minors to sit beside a man - that's just stupid. But again: it wasn't the airline that thought so, it was the customers. And [contrary to popular slogans] the customer is not always right - or even reasonable. [Or even remotely capable of logic, sometimes!] I wonder just how concerned the parents who suggested the policy really are - would they put their child in a cab alone? How about a hired limo? What if the child needs to use the restroom in the airport? OMG - there's no place that's truly safe, is there?
As Scott pointed out, the publicity was all that was needed for the airline to reconsider the wrongheaded policy. The 'concerned parents' can provide security for the children they're worried about, even if they have to hire someone.
Just hope they don't get one of those women who sees the devil in a child.......




Most baby murders are women. The is a TON of cases of women molesting children. They get less publicity than men because men are 'in the sights' of the media.

I wonder, how many men could start a daycare? I would be money that they would have a MAJOR battle finding customers. FAR too many just assume that men are perverts by nature.

Mass murder has NOTHING to do with molesting children.

Can anyone imagine the MASSIVE outcry if a woman was asked to change seats because she was seated next to two boys? HOLY CHRISTMAS TREE BATMAN! The ACLU, NOW and the press would be ALL over it like white on snow! There would be interviews with the sobbing, wronged woman on TV until the electricity dried up!

I would sue. It is blatant discrimination. Maybe we could ask a Muslim to move? Wonder how that would go over? He/she/it may have a bomb in their knickers. Can't have a mad bombers seated next to kids and since most mad bombers are Muslim they must be moved.
 
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bobwg

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They should just leave the seat next to the kids empty no exceptions or put them in a row that has only 2 seats if it is 2 kids traveling alone
 

layoutshooter

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They should just leave the seat next to the kids empty no exceptions or put them in a row that has only 2 seats if it is 2 kids traveling alone

Or make them buy the third seat. My granddaughter flew out like that once. She was seated in a row with two men. Talked their ears off and drove them nuts. NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!!! It seldom does. NO ONE discriminated against those men and the plane landed on time and the granddaughter safe and sound. This move, on this airline, was wrong.
 

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Here's a novel idea. Don't sue the pants off them. Don't put a cage around the unaccompanied kids. Just use some common sense and change the dumb policy. Kinda like what happened due to one man writing about it and having it go from there instead of all the hysteria.
 

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Here's a novel idea. Don't sue the pants off them. Don't put a cage around the unaccompanied kids. Just use some common sense and change the dumb policy. Kinda like what happened due to one man writing about it and having it go from there instead of all the hysteria.


The problem is that the discrimination has already taken place. That was disgusting what was done to that guy. Give him unlimited free flights for life AND change the policy. That is what civil courts are for, righting civil wrongs.
 

scottm4211

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The problem is that the discrimination has already taken place. That was disgusting what was done to that guy. Give him unlimited free flights for life AND change the policy. That is what civil courts are for, righting civil wrongs.

Look at you all liberal.
 

xiggi

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The problem is that the discrimination has already taken place. That was disgusting what was done to that guy. Give him unlimited free flights for life AND change the policy. That is what civil courts are for, righting civil wrongs.

That's just stupid.

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Look at you all liberal.


That is NOT a political stance, it is the correct one. Wrongs should be righted and this type of discrimination is wrong. No different, in this case, than racial profiling in another.

And, by the way, I AM a LIBERAL, in the TRUE sense of the word. Just not a flaming, dyed in the wool, Marxist conservative, like Obama. The Founding Fathers were LIBERALS. They believed the OPPOSITE of Obama. So do I.
 
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cheri1122

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Anyone who could read the headline "Are all male airline passengers predators?" and expect a rational discussion is just beyond reach of logic.
BTW: the 2 airlines cited are both Australian - no US airline has any such [asinine] policy.
 
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