What Constitution?

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
SO many people in this country have NO understanding of our Rights under the Constitution. Our government is the prime offender in that regard. We have an absolute RIGHT to carry a firearm if we so choose.

I would had done more than sue. I would have filed Federal civil rights charges. This man's rights were violated. The officer had no legal authority to even question him on why he was carrying. It is his right, he choose to exercise it. To those who don't like or oppose those who chose to exercise their rights, get a life or move to a more controlled country.


Warren Man Claims His Right to Bear Arms Was Violated


Warren Police Being Sued for $600,000

Updated: Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 10:39 PM EDT
Published : Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 10:38 PM EDT

By TARYN ASHER
WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

WARREN, Mich. (WJBK) - If you spot Jeff Haman, you will likely notice his holstered .45 caliber carried out in the open. It's his legal right, but you wouldn't think so when you hear what Haman claims happened as he was walking home in August 2009 on Twelve Mile Road west of Hoover.

We're told it all started because people started calling 911 saying they saw a man walking down the street with a gun in the open.

"I could hear the tires kind of screeching," said Haman. "As he was pulling up, I saw that he had his firearm pulled out aimed straight at me. I went down to my knees and then he yelled at me and told me to lay down on my stomach with my hands straight out towards him, and the whole time he had the gun trained on me."

Treated as a common criminal, Haman claims. Moments later, two more Warren Police cruisers and three officers arrived.

"He grabbed me up by the chains scraping my knees after he'd dragged me up forcefully," Haman told FOX 2.

Haman got his hands on the Warren Police dash cam video, but he claims it only picked up one cruiser's view and exchanges with the officers after the alleged assault went down.

"You should at least tell us what you're doing. You know what I mean? Call us to say, listen, I'm going to go out for a walk with my gun on my hip today," an officer can be heard saying on that video.
"Walking around like this is just going to end up getting you hurt somehow. Express your rights the way you want to express it, but when you get hurt, don't cry that somebody hurt you because you were expressing your rights. You're just asking for trouble, brother."

"Why? Would you do that if you had purple pants on that day? It's totally legal. It's constitutional. Why would you call the police if you're leaving your house for anything," Haman said.

Due to how he was allegedly treated, Haman, a gun advocate, former firearms dealer and member of Michigan Open Carry, has decided to sue Warren Police for $600,000.

Warren Police Commissioner Jere Green, who was named in the suit, couldn't comment specifically, but he said he supports the officer's actions 100-percent. Officers, he said, are duty bound and can't assume someone openly carrying a gun is following the law.

"This is a police officer. He works for the community. He works for me. What he did was wrong," said Haman.

Haman said he is filing the lawsuit because he doesn't want this to happen anyone else and that a lot people are not informed about the open carry laws, including police officers. He wants this to send a message




Warren Man Claims His Right to Bear Arms Was Violated
 
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skyraider

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US Navy
View attachment 2747 This book is an eye opener. The first 20 pages will give u insight on how crazy things in this country have gotten. You might want to read the first 20 pages twice IMHO>
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
View attachment 2747 This book is an eye opener. The first 20 pages will give u insight on how crazy things in this country have gotten. You might want to read the first 20 pages twice IMHO>

I will have to see if I can find it. A good part of the blame can be placed on our useless "education system". I know I had to explain to my kids on multiple occasions that they DID have a right to own and carry firearms. They were taught different. A prime example of why the Federal government must be taken out of education. So should State government. Education should be in the firm control of the parents and those paying for it.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Hey here is a novel idea, sue those who called in the first place. Don't bother just with the cops because they were responding to the calls, but those who called have a hand in violating rights too.

Maybe we also need to reexamine what the role of law enforcement should be and how accountability to the people should happen. I think the ramifications of the ignorance of the law cuts both ways and this case illustrates it.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
If you go on YouTube you can watch lots of videos from Free Staters where they have protests like this. It is really sad that people are such babies that they end up calling the cops because a guy has a gun in is holster. The police chief needs to go.

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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Hey here is a novel idea, sue those who called in the first place. Don't bother just with the cops because they were responding to the calls, but those who called have a hand in violating rights too.

Maybe we also need to reexamine what the role of law enforcement should be and how accountability to the people should happen. I think the ramifications of the ignorance of the law cuts both ways and this case illustrates it.


Yes, he SHOULD sue those who called and file charges against the cop who overreacted. The cop was the POWER who violated this man's legitimate civil rights. I was the cop that abused his authority. IF the cops felt a need to respond they should have done so in a CIVIL manner when approaching a citizen. After all, that citizen was just walking. Those cops are employed by that citizen to ENFORCE the law. That includes not interfering with people who are just exercising a Constitutional right.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
I was watching parking wars detroit one night.This guy got his gun out of his van said on camera he had his CCW permit.Well of course a whole bunch of cops show up and this one cop says to the guy you are suppossed to have it conceled which mean I can not see it.The OFFICER then went on to tell the guy because people had seen his gun if he wanted to he could take him to jail,take his gun and have his CCW pulled.I guess THIS "OFFICER OF THE LAW" did not know that under MICHIGAN LAW the guy could carry his gun in the open.

You just gotta love stupid people:D
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I was watching parking wars detroit one night.This guy got his gun out of his van said on camera he had his CCW permit.Well of course a whole bunch of cops show up and this one cop says to the guy you are suppossed to have it conceled which mean I can not see it.The OFFICER then went on to tell the guy because people had seen his gun if he wanted to he could take him to jail,take his gun and have his CCW pulled.I guess THIS "OFFICER OF THE LAW" did not know that under MICHIGAN LAW the guy could carry his gun in the open.

You just gotta love stupid people:D

Many police departments and some cops not longer up hold or enforce the laws a written, the make up their OWN laws and enforce those.

Under Michigan CCW law you are not allowed to "brandish" your weapon. Just having seen is NOT "brandishing".

The war against US citizens who choose to exercise their Constitutional right to own and carry arms is going to heat up. Our president and many of our other elected officials AND judges do not believe in our Constitution. Many hate it.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Many police departments and some cops not longer up hold or enforce the laws a written, the make up their OWN laws and enforce those.

Under Michigan CCW law you are not allowed to "brandish" your weapon. Just having seen is NOT "brandishing".

The war against US citizens who choose to exercise their Constitutional right to own and carry arms is going to heat up. Our president and many of our other elected officials AND judges do not believe in our Constitution. Many hate it.
That's why cops must be held responsible for their actions. Being that this police action was illegal, what the cops did was assault, and since they were armed at the time and brandished their weapons in the commission of the crime, they should be prosecuted for aggravated assault. Once word of that got out, you think another cop anywhere in the country would date do that again? It would stop immediately.
 
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