Welfare myths

[cheri1122]

https://www.msu.edu/user/skourtes/myths.html

Kind of an eye opener, eh?
I just get sooooo tired of hearing the same rants about "lazy people collecting taxpayer money for nothing", and not a peep of outrage over the corporate welfare given to the very same greedheads who are responsible for the lack of decent jobs in the first place.
Without jobs that pay a living wage, America is doomed - and we're already well on the way.
I'm 100% in favor of folks earning a living, but there have to be jobs for them to get, first!
It seems to me that Obama "gets it", and that's why so many supported him, rather that more of the same old same old. Like Turtle says, what the Government has done so far aint working.
When American people can't find work, (without requiring single mothers to move to Wyoming) America isn't working. Period.

 

[guido4475]

hey cheri, where you at? it is really slow? i'm in nashville.

 

[LDB]

Obama doesn't come close to getting it. Government jobs aren't jobs. The government produces nothing. The ones who get it are the ones who voted against Obama. We've watched over the years as fewer and fewer get it. This election shows we've reached the point where those who get it are in the minority. Oh, we're all going to get it now alright but it's the shaft we're going to get.

 

[chefdennis]

most of the PEOPLE (no matter sex or race) on welfare are either underskilled or have np skills to perform a job that would pay enough to support a themselves let alone a family. When the welfare act enacted around the time of the great depression, women for the most part stayed home. it wasn't until the 70-s that women started working in mass outside the home that they because part of the welfare rolls in large #'s , that is where the basis for more women were on welfare came from. Because they had kids , lesser skills or no skills and were basically unemployable in anything other then low paying jobs.

So where is it written that anyone is ENTITLED to a job???? Amd who deicides what a person is to be paid for the skill level they bring to the work place other then the employer?

Obama has no idea other then the socialist "share the wealth", take from those that have and give to those that don't have and even give those that don't work taxpayer money as a refund from the fed gov..

You say that without jobs that pay a living wage, that this country is doomed....Ok where do any jobs come from? The government can't create any jobs, they can only give Taxpayer money away to those that CAN provide jobs. So again, who decises what a job should pay other then the employer? Even if the employer is using tax dollar, he should just pay a "living wage" even if it is shown that that job being performed can't generate profit enough to support that wage? Well yea, it's just money from the government, so no big deal...

I have not seen anyone say that there is not corporate greed. As a ex stockholder in more then a few businesses, I certainly looked at the buttom line and how much my investment was making for me. If i would have found a company paying wages that were not justified by the work being performed as to their profitablity, id have had a fit, as any stock holder would.

I don't care who is on welfare, it should be regulated and limited in duration so that it isn't a way of life that it is for so many now. No one is entitled to a living at the taxpayers expense, No one......no matter what sex or race they are...

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I don't care who is on welfare, it should be regulated and limited in duration so that it isn't a way of life that it is for so many now. No one is entitled to a living at the taxpayers expense, No one......no matter what sex or race they are...

I disagree. Those with mental or physical disabilities that make them unable to function at any job should be taken care of - especially disabled military. Other than that, I agree... welfare should be temporary in nature for everyone else.

There is NO risk/reward for those on welfare. Everyone who makes money is either taking a risk or giving their time. Even a criminal is taking a risk, or doing time.

 

[chefdennis]

People that at truelu mentalli or phyically disabled to the point they cannot function or perform a job, were brought into this world by a parent. Family takes care of them, if not family, there are more then enough privatily funded charitable groups the provide care for them without government assistance.

As for disabled military, helping them is not on the WELFARE rolls, they assistance is and should be taken care of for the duration of their lives.

A very well respected economist, Walter E. Williams wrote (to paraphase) "when the government puts its hand in my pocket to give that money they take (taxes) to others to for their benefit (welfare) thats theft, when I put my hand in my pocket and give it to others to help them, thats Charity...........

 

[layoutshooter]

Members of the military and intell service who are injured in the service of the country should be cared for, that is not welfare. It is payment for a debt owed. It is the responsibility of the invdividual to insure that they have the skills to become employed. No one is "OWED" a job, a house or medical care. If you are too metally or physiclly unable to work there are charities for that. Charity is a "gift" and not a government responsibilty. Remember, taxes remove money from the economy that will cut donations for charity. Make work government jobs do not produce wealth they subtract from the economy. There are valid government jobs but not any where near what we have today and Obama wants to increase the "welfare job" roles. He also wants to decrease the number of people paying taxes. There are already 30% of the nation NOT paying taxes. Those same 30% use more services and cost more government money than those who pay thier share of the burden. bums is bums. A true adult would fix thier own problems. Make thier way in life. Like, run thier own business? Find that niche. Life is tough. Freedom is a challenge. Failure makes you tough. Problems are a chance to forge new answers. Obsticals are things to overcome, not hold you back. Strength comes from hard work and overcoming adversity. NO one has ever risen to thier full potential taking the "EASY way out" The more you do for yourself the more you will suceed. The more you do for yourself the more you will enjoy the fruits of your labor and your life. Welfare saps and destroys the human spirit. The human spirit does best when tempered by adversity and challenge. Layoutshooter

 

[aristotle]

Obama will do the bididing of his paymasters, as all presidents do. Obama's beholden to the unions, the trial lawyers, the ACLU, the homosexual lobby, environmental extremists, the anti-gun lobby, the Hollywood elite, all the usual suspects on the far left. He prefers Rev. Jeremiah Wright to Rev. Billy Graham. He used cocaine regularly as a younger man. His inner circle of advisers would include great minds such as Oprah, Rev. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and an assortment of other racial hatred bullies.
There is no basis to believe he knows how to help the economy. He has zero experience in the private sector. Jobs are created by entrepreneurs. The huge social spending Obama advocates will suck trillions of dollars out of American wallets. Obama's election was a purely emotional exercise. There is nothing in his resume to recommend him for high office. He is an adequate orator so long as the teleprompter is working.
No military experience. No business experience. No towering intellect. We just elected Bambi.

 

[layoutshooter]

HEY, don't make fun of Bambi, Bambi was a Stag, a male red deer, that inhabits much of Europe. They are not native to North America. I would prefere to compare him to a perverted Richard Simmons. Whimpy, stupid but very hateful. At least Richard Simmons is not mean or stupid. Layoutshooter

 

[Moot]

People that at truelu mentalli or phyically benefit...
when I put my hand in my pocket and give it to others to help them, thats Charity...........

Or self gratification.

 

[chefdennis]

LOL, or Pocket Pool, and i ALWAYS win!!

 

[cheri1122]

Agreed: welfare should not be a permanent income - except in cases of disability.
Agreed: "when the government puts it's hand in my pocket etc" - but the point is, the percentage that's used to assist the poor is just 1 - who complains about the 12% used for the middle class tax breaks, incentives, etc, and nobody even KNOWS what percentage is given to the wealthy (corporate and individual), much less objects to it, eh?
No, it's not the government's place to provide jobs - just to encourage the job providers to do so, in the interests of a stable and productive society. That's what a government "of, by, and for the people" is elected to do, because without a stable and productive society, what the hell have we got that's worth defending?

 

[layoutshooter]

It is not the job of the government to provide you with anything, other than your defense. It is your job to provide for youself. My job is to provide my living. It is everyone else's job to provide for themselfs. IF they need a hand, make them earn it. NO WORK, NO PAY. Bet you bucks the welfare roles would go away fast if they were forced to earn thier money. Layoutshooter

 

[LDB]

And the other side of that coin is why is anyone complaining if the "middle class" who are still paying a large amount in the grand scheme of things gets a little bit of a break? Their pockets are still being picked by the government to support far more than the government should be supporting. Why is anyone even bringing that up in the face of the ridiculous squandering going on right now in D.C. as well as all the other thievery going on? It's ridiculous for anyone to complain about one overtaxed group getting a break rather than complaining about the huge group paying nothing and in return for paying nothing getting money back from the government that was stolen from the pockets of those who deserved the tax break to begin with.

 

[flattop40]

I have a friend that used to work for Schwan's Home Food Service. He used to tell me stories about people on welfare that would spend $4-500 on food from them. He said his best customers were poor and rich people. I as a middle class person could not afford them except for an occasional ice cream. My point is how is it that someone who makes little to no money can eat better then I can? I guess its like being in jail (3 squares aday). Yet they are some of the smelliest people on the face of the earth?

I guess its "the humane" thing to do. I agree there should be some kind of limit and some kind of graduated plan. You hear that if they get a job they are penilized more then what the job pays, should be the other way around.

Just for numbers sake if a nonworking family gets say $500 for food a month and another $500 for rent and utility bills. Then someone in the family gets a job and makes min. wage and brings home say $200 per week that is $800 per month (again using round numbers). Don't penilize them more then the $800 in fact maybe only take away $500 now they are actually gaining which gives them more of the incentive to go to work then when say they make $1500/month then they are cut off. A graduated system.

I could be wrong (never having been on welfare) but have heard its the opposite.

Mentally and physically disabled should be taken care of but thats it.

 

[layoutshooter]

Leo, you don't REALLY think that a Dumbecrat is going to lower taxes on the middle class do you? LOL. Never happen. They MIGHT show a SLIGHT cut in the income tax but you will see HUGE increases in "user fees". They will continue to fleece us, we are nothing more to them that a flock of sheep. Obama sees himself as the "good shepard". I see him as the "wolf" Layoutshooter