Warning on having a shop put on a new starter

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Last year we had a truck burn to the ground because a starter was hooked up the wrong way. We just had another truck that needed a starter and it was hooked up the wrong way. I was told it could have burned to the ground if the dealer didn't find this. Thank God we sent it to a Freightliner dealer to get fix the right way. I even told the shop that Freightliner said they had it hooked up wrong because it was showing codes after they put the new starter on. They said it was fine, this is a well known shop that we use for fuel and small repairs. Just always make sure your starter is put on right or you're truck could end up like this.
 

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Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
They put the negative on the positive on the truck we just has in the shop.
 
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tknight

Veteran Expediter
I would think putting the hot on the ground would have made an interesting time when they first started the truck how did it even start and get to the point of starting on fire not making much sense to me
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
The truck that burned to the ground I can't talk about the details in full as of yet because the lost of our truck is not settled yet. I was advised by our lawyer not to give out details as it was done by a well know company that is a EO Customer.

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tknight

Veteran Expediter
Actually how on earth could you even start the truck? A hot to ground would have been a heck of a spark when the battery was connected! I would think a melt down was a very fast thing with the batteries exploding I'm puzzled!
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Im thinking the same thing, By the starter are you talking about a remote start? Hook theeese up the wrong way or have a hot ground and you will have a problem or posably toast a vehicle. Ive hooked up car starters the wrong way and and ether it didnt turn over, it bypasses the swich and cranks when you attach the cables even with the swich off, or I got a real cool looking spark that was a no brainer somthing is not right. Besides now days with most having a wire harness that makes it tougher yet.

Bob Wolf.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
First off all I can say is Da**. Sorry ya lost a truck. I'm thinking everyone got out and is OK. That's what really matters a this point.

On a lighter side...I gotta ask. With wires hooked up wrong did the headlights burn/shine backwards?:D

(Really not a laughing matter.. sorry)
 

WanderngFool

Active Expediter
This is one of those threads that implants a big ol' question mark in my brain. In fact I think my brain hurts a little from wondering how someone can hook a starter up wrong.

But then I'm sure I've done things that other people thought were impossible. No, no, it IS possible to screw this up, here I'll prove it to ya.
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
OK. In my experience, the starter frame is grounded to the engine block by simply mounting the starter to the engine/transmission bell housing. Can't screw that up. After that, there's two or three screws on the starter solenoid, and here it IS possible to get something wrong. The first screw has the big cable from the battery, and nine cases out of ten there will be a forest of other wires that connect here as well. It's the main connection between the battery and the rest of the truck. One screw will have the wire that goes to the starter switch, it will be the only wire on that screw. All it does is trigger the solenoid so the starter will engage and start the engine. Then, if it's a remote solenoid you will have a third screw that has a heavy wire that feeds the starter. The only time this wire carries current is when the vehicle is starting. If the solenoid is built onto the starter, this circuit doesn't have a separate wire-- it's internal, part of the starter.solenoid package.

Somehow, somebody crossed a wire so the starter is always engaged/trying to engage. Yeah, if that happens you can heat up the starter and get things toasty warm. It was never designed to be always engaged like that. Look for the wire from your key switch to have been placed on the main battery cable, and/or one of the other wires feeding other circuits to have been placed on the relay switch terminal. Something is keeping that relay engaged ALL THE TIME, and that's why the truck caught fire and burned.
 
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