Voters say Washington is worse than Wall St

[layoutshooter]

I doubt very much that these protesters are protesting against "corrupt" politicians and the political machine. They are going to vote for Obama, as they did last time. The is NOTHING more corrupt than a Chicago Machine Dumb-O-Crat.


When it all comes out they will be all about regulations, control and their particular form of corruption. Like expanding corrupt public sector unions that should be eliminated. Like dictating to industry what they can or cannot produce. Socialism. Communism. SAMO SAMO. Evil.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I doubt very much that these protesters are protesting against "corrupt" politicians and the political machine. They are going to vote for Obama, as they did last time. The is NOTHING more corrupt than a Chicago Machine Dumb-O-Crat.


When it all comes out they will be all about regulations, control and their particular form of corruption. Like expanding corrupt public sector unions that should be eliminated. Like dictating to industry what they can or cannot produce. Socialism. Communism. SAMO SAMO. Evil.

And if Romney is nominated, I'm sure most tea-partiers will vote for him in the general election.

Old habits are hard to break. At this point, I'm not interested in their voting habits. I'm interested in seeing if they pull thru this. And I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because, whether you want to believe it or not, they are doing exactly what we want to do... stand up to the establishment elitists, and say enough's enough. I'm not letting the future get to me, because we all know there is no future in the way things are going now. I'm just wanting the idea of true liberty to spread like wildfire.

 

[chefdennis]

TN Hawk wrote:

Chef, do us a favor and go back to cut n paste. You're just not getting it.

Ok, ask and you shall recieve :

October 19, 2011

OSW demonstrators clueless about taxes and government economic policy

Blog: OSW demonstrators clueless about taxes and government economic policy

This probably reflects a general ignorance by Americans about tax rates, and how the economy and government function. But still, these demonstrators claim to represent the 99%. You'd think they would at least get their facts right.


New York Magazine asked 50 OWS demonstrators a series of questions and their responses are quite revealing.

1. What is the Dodd-Frank Act?

84% of protestors answered that they didn't know what the most significant financial regulation legislation since the 1930's was all about.Only 10% got it right.


2. Does Obama control the Federal Reserve?

74% got this one right.

3. Who is the chairman of the Fed?

38% got this one right. But fully 20% answered "some white guy," "some idiot," or "He's Jewish."

6. What is the SEC?

68% didn't know.

7. What is the top marginal tax rate for the richest 1%?

32% answered between 10-25%. 30% answered between 0-10%. Only 10% got it roughly right (35%)

9. What does government spend more on - health care, pensions, and education or the military?

94% said the military despite the fact that we spend more than twice as much on health care, pensions, and education than we do the military.

The answers are interesting because they reflect the indocrtination these bozos have been subjected to. The rich don't pay taxes, government spends all our money on the military, and corporations are virtually unregulated. They are "occupying" Wall Street based on misinformation, or misinterpretation of the facts fed them by the media, academics, and filtering news through their own bias.

Crack a book once and a while, guys. Start with "The Road to Serfdom" and don't stop until you read "Free to Choose." Then maybe we can have an intelligent debate about the economy and those who do the producing.

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Meet the Occupants

By Tracey Samuelson
Published Oct 2, 2011
Polling 100 Occupy Wall Street Protesters -- New York Magazine

The organizers of Occupy Wall Street hoped for a turnout of 90,000 when protests began on September 17. Only a few hundred activists showed up, but those who did have been a hardy bunch. They’re still camped in the open air in Zuccotti Park (near the WTC site)—and just got some big labor groups to promise to join their cause. We polled 100 protesters who are in it for the long haul.



Are you …
Male: 66%
Female: 30%
“Other”: 4%



How old are you?
Under 20: 10
20–29: 50
30-39: 15
40-49: 9
Over 50: 2



Pick one: Capitalism …
Isn’t fundamentally evil; it just needs to be regulated: 46
Can’t be saved; it’s inherently immoral: 37
Didn’t answer: 17



Pop quiz!
The proposal to prohibit banks from engaging in both client trading and proprietary trading is called …
Glass-Steagall Act: 40
Volcker Rule: 6
Buffett Rule: 11
Elizabeth Warren Bill: 11
Didn’t Answer: 32
The correct answer is “Volcker Rule.”



What do you think of Obama?
I believed in him, and he let me down: 40
He’s doing great: 1
I never believed in him: 27
He’s doing the best he can: 22




The country with the best government in the world is …
"Canada. It’s most like the U.S. but more the way I want.”
“Denmark.”
“I don’t accept the premises of this question.



Did you vote in the 2010 midterm elections?
Yes: 39
No: 55
No, but only because I wasn’t 18: 5



Explain how you would fix Wall Street.
“A maximum-wage law.”
“President Elizabeth Warren."
“Burn it down.”



Rank yourself on the following Scale of Liberalism:.
Not liberal at all: 6
Liberal but fairly mainstream (i.e., Barack Obama): 3
Strongly liberal (i.e., Paul Krugman): 12
Fed up with Democrats, believe country needs overhaul (i.e., Ralph Nader): 41
Convinced the U.S. government is no better than, say, Al Qaeda (i.e., Noam Chomsky): 34



Has the occupation been a success so far?
79: “Yes. We’re still here.”
13: “No. We’re still here.”

 

[layoutshooter]

And if Romney is nominated, I'm sure most tea-partiers will vote for him in the general election.

Old habits are hard to break. At this point, I'm not interested in their voting habits. I'm interested in seeing if they pull thru this. And I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because, whether you want to believe it or not, they are doing exactly what we want to do... stand up to the establishment elitists, and say enough's enough. I'm not letting the future get to me, because we all know there is no future in the way things are going now. I'm just wanting the idea of true liberty to spread like wildfire.

No they are NO doing ANYTHING that I would do. I would want LESS government regulation, NOT more. I would OUTLAW unions in the public sector, NOT seek to expand them.

I believe that these people ARE the elitists.

I don't know what you mean by "true liberty". When push comes to shove I would be willing to bet that these people have NO love of liberty. My bet is that they are just typical socialist drones. They are owed and need cared for.

What IS going to spread is civil war. It will be UGLY.

As I said, this is ALL opinion. It is what you or I believe. It will all come out in the end. Sooner or later. The coffee bet is still on.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Like I said... you don't get it. All you're doing is making yourself look foolish. Dodd-Frank Act? Volcker Rule? Skewed answers? Tell me... should infantrymen be quizzed like this; and found unfit to serve if they can't answer who was Washington's aide-de-camp? When you're lying there with a sucking chest wound, do you want your medic to quiz you on how many stitches it will take to close you up?

I haven't a clue on a number of those questions. I didn't go to school to be a Wall Street scholar. But I know when someone is pizzing on me, and tells me it's raining.

 

[layoutshooter]

Geez, you don't stitch a sucking chest wound on the battle field or on the street, like in a car wreck. You cover it with an air tight, flexible cover. Like a heavy plastic wrap, like the cover off a large wound bandage. THEN you tape down all but one corner. That corner is left loose to allow for exhaling. Then you package and transport.

OR, if you are one of today's drones, you call 911 and wait for the poor sod to die because the ambulance union is on strike.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Geez, you don't stitch a sucking chest wound on the battle field or on the street, like in a car wreck. You cover it with an air tight, flexible cover. Like a heavy plastic wrap, like the cover off a large wound bandage. THEN you tape down all but one corner. That corner is left loose to allow for exhaling. Then you package and transport.

OR, if you are one of today's drones, you call 911 and wait for the poor sod to die because the ambulance union is on strike.

Well, if they survive, they're not going to walk around with a plastic bag in their chest. EVENTUALLY, they'll have to get stitched up. Don't make me recount my days in the Corps. It will not be pretty.

 

[chefdennis]

Well I guess I fit in with a whole lot of foolish people and thats just fine with me....

As for Skewed questions!?!? These people are complaining about the exact systems that those questions pertained to and they have no clue...and i really dont think that you need to go to school to be a "Wall Street scholar" to have the answers to those questions that pertain to something you find soo repulsive that you feel the need to "protest" about it....and if i remember right you just referenced Dodd-Frank in another thread...

 

[layoutshooter]

Well, if they survive, they're not going to walk around with a plastic bag in their chest. EVENTUALLY, they'll have to get stitched up. Don't make me recount my days in the Corps. It will not be pretty.

Yeah, at the HOSPITAL. That is IF the staff are not out protesting "corporate greed" or some other goofy thing.

I won't ask you to recount your days in the Corps and I won't go in to the gory details of my days as a firefighter/EMT. Fair enough? And don't forget, IF you ever have to treat a "sucking chest wound" you put the air tight cover OVER the wound, NOT in it! LOL!!!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Well I guess I fit in with a whole lot of foolish people and thats just fine with me....

As for Skewed questions!?!? These people are complaining about the exact systems that those questions pertained to and they have no clue...and i really dont think that you need to go to school to be a "Wall Street scholar" to have the answers to those questions that pertain to something you find soo repulsive that you feel the need to "protest" about it....and if i remember right you just referenced Dodd-Frank in another thread...

Explain how you would fix Wall Street.
“A maximum-wage law.”
“President Elizabeth Warren."
“Burn it down.”

Sounds like BS to me.

Yes, I did just reference Dodd-Frank. I used wiki to learn about it just before I posted.

And why should they even have to be quizzed? What is that knowledge going to do for them, when real knowledge is experienced everyday, by people they thought were their enemies? "Yay! I'm the King of Useless Information! I choose the Bozo button!"

 

[tbubster]

The country with the best government in the world is …
"Canada. It’s most like the U.S. but more the way I want.”
“Denmark.”
“I don’t accept the premises of this question


Very telling when one looks at the true origin of this protest




Canadian Adbusters Sounded 1st #OccupyWallStreet Call 2 Arms –Founder Owns OccupyWallStreet.org Who Lie About Connection

 

[Tennesseahawk]

The country with the best government in the world is …
"Canada. It’s most like the U.S. but more the way I want.”
“Denmark.”
“I don’t accept the premises of this question


Very telling when one looks at the true origin of this protest




Canadian Adbusters Sounded 1st #OccupyWallStreet Call 2 Arms –Founder Owns OccupyWallStreet.org Who Lie About Connection

It doesn't matter who started the protest. It is underway, and supposedly gaining momentum. The guy who supposedly started this also mentioned rage as being the catalyst. There hasn't been any rage. Adbusters has been bypassed by common sense. They are IRRELEVANT.

 

[scottm4211]

The country with the best government in the world is …
"Canada. It’s most like the U.S. but more the way I want.”
“Denmark.”
“I don’t accept the premises of this question


Very telling when one looks at the true origin of this protest




Canadian Adbusters Sounded 1st #OccupyWallStreet Call 2 Arms –Founder Owns OccupyWallStreet.org Who Lie About Connection

It's tough to read a story when I don't know WTH the title even means.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Good article about the OWS and Tea Party joining forces against corruption.

Occupy Wall Street Hits K Street | The Nation

"I spent time at a Tea Party convention in Arizona talking to people who were deeply concerned about this country. They didn’t talk about gay rights. They didn’t talk about abortion. They talked about getting our government back in control. Those grassroots populist members of the Tea Party—forget their leaders—would agree with this point about the corruption of the system. And if this movement can begin to speak about these issues in a way they can hear, where the focus is not against policies they agree with, for example against the free market, but instead against a corrupted market."

"... forget their leaders..." IOW, the core of this movement is at the individual level! We're not talking about political issues here. We're talking about getting rid of corruption in our system. Whether you're on the left or right, I think we can all agree we're a better nation if we're not run by corrupt elitists from BOTH sides.

 

[tbubster]

It doesn't matter who started the protest. It is underway, and supposedly gaining momentum. The guy who supposedly started this also mentioned rage as being the catalyst. There hasn't been any rage. Adbusters has been bypassed by common sense. They are IRRELEVANT.

It does matter as it helps to show the true agenda behind the protest.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

It does matter as it helps to show the true agenda behind the protest.

Absolutely, if you can prove the movement is still under the thumb of those who started it. From what I've read/heard, that's not the case here.

 

[Turtle]

Here Are Four Charts That Explain What The Protesters Are Angry About... - Business Insider

It's the very last sentence that explains why it matters.

Which is exactly what I've been trying to say. What I find interesting is not only is this protest a result of a much larger sociological picture, but that so many people seem to desperately need to boil it down to a few or just one issue. They're so desperate that they'll scour the pictures, videos and comments looking for something that not merely boils it down, but one that fits neatly with their own agendas, and in the case of a few here, begin ranting like a lunatic in a desperate attempt to convince others of the conspiracy. It's also why Johnny Come Latelys are trying to hijack the protest, make it their own, for their own agenda. People may successfully hijack this or other protests, but that won't stop the movement, it won't fix the core problems. It will continue. Not only that, but if these protests are hijacked, there will be blowback from those who resent being hijacked.

People are fed up. They've had it up to here with the people in power and they system of legalized corruption that got us to where we are, as a society today. People are fed up with Democrats and Republicans. People no longer see them as being distinctly different, they seem them as being one in the same, two sides of the same coin. They want the current establishment, which is corrupt utterly, out of power. They want change. They have lost hope and they want hope back again. Why do you think Obama got elected? It wasn't because he was a liberal Democrat, that's for sure.

This type of revolution is not unique. It has happened time and time again thought human history. It will take a few years, but things will change. They always do.

 

[cheri1122]

What Turtle said above is what I've been saying for a couple years now: people [like THawk] don't need to know the details to know when we're being screwed - it's pretty obvy when management pay climbs to over 400x workers pay, [if they're fortunate enough to have a job], while working people just keep falling further behind, the banks get bailed out with our money after being stupendously stupid in their policies & practices, [but they're 'too big to fail'], local, state, and federal governments routinely trim & eliminate services to taxpayers while throwing tax breaks and incentives at corporations - the list goes on and on and on.
Obama got elected because people wanted all that to CHANGE - never mind whether he did it, [or could do it], it's what the people want - and those who didn't and don't 'get it' can make all the cracks they like, but it's not jealousy or class warfare or laziness - it's longstanding rage at the betrayal of trust, and it isn't going away.

 

[skyraider]

When one votes for a flute player, many followed him over the cliff and you see what happened. Reminds me of other flute players that said: I am not a crook, read my lips-no new taxes, and the best one--- I never had sex with that woman.
sail on sail on sail on.........................

 

[davekc]

Which is exactly what I've been trying to say. What I find interesting is not only is this protest a result of a much larger sociological picture, but that so many people seem to desperately need to boil it down to a few or just one issue. They're so desperate that they'll scour the pictures, videos and comments looking for something that not merely boils it down, but one that fits neatly with their own agendas, and in the case of a few here, begin ranting like a lunatic in a desperate attempt to convince others of the conspiracy. It's also why Johnny Come Latelys are trying to hijack the protest, make it their own, for their own agenda. People may successfully hijack this or other protests, but that won't stop the movement, it won't fix the core problems. It will continue. Not only that, but if these protests are hijacked, there will be blowback from those who resent being hijacked.

People are fed up. They've had it up to here with the people in power and they system of legalized corruption that got us to where we are, as a society today. People are fed up with Democrats and Republicans. People no longer see them as being distinctly different, they seem them as being one in the same, two sides of the same coin. They want the current establishment, which is corrupt utterly, out of power. They want change. They have lost hope and they want hope back again. Why do you think Obama got elected? It wasn't because he was a liberal Democrat, that's for sure.

This type of revolution is not unique. It has happened time and time again thought human history. It will take a few years, but things will change. They always do.

One could make the argument that the protesters are using the same information to fullfill a agenda are they not? I understand people are fed up with many things, but what did they expect when they elected a Chicago politician? And yet they still support him and want him to be elected again.
Until there is structural change, you are going to see more of the same. And, as those charts clearly show, a global economy is going to continue to change things regardless of anything that happens here. Protests and the like aren't going to change that any time soon.