Voters say Washington is worse than Wall St

chefdennis

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Hmmm could it be that the OWS bunch are misguided???

The Hill Poll: Voters say Washington is worse than Wall Street

By Elise Viebeck
10/17/11 05:15 AM ET
The Hill Poll: Voters say Washington is worse than Wall Street - TheHill.com

POLL:

http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2011/10_october/crosstabs_20111013_thehill.pdf

In the minds of likely voters, Washington, not Wall Street, is primarily to blame for the financial crisis and the subsequent recession.

That is the key finding of this week’s The Hill poll, which comes as the national Occupy Wall Street movement — a protest that objects to risky practices and excessive salaries at major banks, along with American income disparities in general — enters its second month.

The movement appears to have struck a chord with progressive voters, but it does not seem to represent the feelings of the wider public.

The Hill poll found that only one in three likely voters blames Wall Street for the country’s financial troubles, whereas more than half — 56 percent — blame Washington.

Moreover, when it comes to the political consequences of the protest, voters tend to believe that there are more perils than positives for Obama and the Democrats.

A plurality believe that the Occupy Wall Street movement will hurt Democrats and Obama in the 2012 election. Even those whose sympathies lie on the left of center seem unsure about the likely political repercussions. Just half of all liberal likely voters — the group most likely to blame Wall Street for the recession — and fewer than half of all Democrats believe the protests will help their side next year.

The split on the question of apportioning blame for the nation’s economic travails corresponds closely with voters’ political ideologies: More than 7 in 10 conservatives blamed Washington for the recession, while more than 5 in 10 liberals blamed Wall Street.

But self-identified centrists, importantly, appear to be siding with the right on economic issues, with nearly half blaming Washington for the recession.

The difference also reflected voters’ views of Obama: Among those who “strongly” or “somewhat” approve of the president, most blamed Wall Street, while those who “strongly” or “somewhat” disapprove of the president blamed Washington.

Interestingly, those who described themselves as “not sure” about Obama nonetheless blamed Wall Street over Washington by a more than two-to-one margin, 55 percent to 23 percent.

Pulse Opinion Research conducted The Hill Poll on Oct. 13. It is based on the responses of 1,000 likely voters and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
 

Turtle

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People so want to be able to put a finger on this or that, who to blame or not to blame. Will it hurt the Democrats of the Republicans? What, exactly, are they protesting? Why don't they have a clear-cut set of demands? It's because they are protesting for liberty, the freedom of the chains of Wall Street and Washington and the process that has gotten this country and the world into the shape it's now in. They're not protesting some mansy pansy political issue that's easy to pigeonhole, and that makes a lot of people uneasy, so uneasy that they conduct polls, offer analysis, and try to pigeonhole it anyway.
 

tbubster

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I dont put much stock into polls but it is funny how when the pollesters dont ask a question about blaming bush how bad Obamas rateing gets.Just never understood how they can talk about what most voters are thinking when they only call 1000 people.
 

davekc

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Other than wanting things for free, I haven't heard anything that they want. They say they want liberty and when ask what that means, the reporters get blank stares.
 

tbubster

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If wanting to let the government decide when you have made enough and now you have to work to give to others is liberty then I for one want no part of that liberty
 

muttly

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The protester are for liberty alright.:rolleyes: They want to liberate themselves from paying back student loans, mortgages, credit card bills, and get free healthcare. In the words of Foghorn Leghorn " Son that liberty looks pretty good. Give me, I say give me some of dat liberty" :rolleyes::D
 

RLENT

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The protester are for liberty alright.:rolleyes: They want to liberate themselves from paying back student loans, mortgages, credit card bills, and get free healthcare. In the words of Foghorn Leghorn " Son that liberty looks pretty good. Give me, I say give me some of dat liberty" :rolleyes::D
Mutt,

I realize that the easy thing to do is drink deep of the MSM propaganda as to what OWS is all about .... afterall it is easily available and free (or at least included in your cable bill) :rolleyes:

But you wouldn't be suckin' on a crack pipe ..... jus' cause there's a dope peddler on every corner, handin' out samples, gratis .... wouldja ?

Maybe an alternative viewpoint is worth a little consideration:

A LESSON IN DEMOCRACY & OUR MOST EXCELLENT ADVENTURE IN NYC
 
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Turtle

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The loans, credit cards and all the rest aren't the issues, tho they do make for nice pigeonholing. They are the symptoms of a much larger issue, a state of societal being, an issue many of the protesters themselves aren't aware of. Those who think the protesters just want free stuff aren't seeing it either. This has happened several times through history. It's the beginnings of a revolution and an upheaval on a global scale. Just wait. Hopefully I'll still be around to witness it, but I doubt it. This protest isn't about some neat and tidy political issue. It's much larger than that. But yes, ultimately it's about liberty, and the freedom to choose. It's about testing the will of those in power, about taking back that which those in power have slowly stolen from society.
 

RLENT

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Naah, it's about getting free stuff.
Yo Tyrone,

You're not hearin' me man ..... read it again.

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Moot

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It's about testing the will of those in power, about taking back that which those in power have slowly stolen from society.

Howard Beale: "Get up. Get up out of your chairs. Go to the window and open it. Shout out, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."
 

RLENT

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Of course, when facts on the ground don't comport with what an individual would prefer be the case, the tendency is to dismiss or just simply ignore them .... nevertheless the facts remain the the facts.

To that end, Michael Tracey of Reason Magazine opines:

Occupy Wall Street: Beyond the Caricatures

It's very easy to decree from afar that the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators flooding Lower Manhattan right now are there for no other reason than to recite hackneyed leftist bombast. Indeed, without interviewing a single attendee, National Review editor Rich Lowry determined that the thousands who have flocked to Liberty Plaza in recent weeks are nothing more than a "woolly-headed horde" spouting "juvenile rabble."

I strongly disagree. By and large, the folks I've spoken to have not come off as "woolly-headed" in the slightest.

Link to rest of article:

Occupy Wall Street: Beyond the Caricatures
 

Tennesseahawk

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My eyes, they have opened.

And as far as Washington being worse than Wall Street, that's like saying the dominatrix is worse than the slave, when they're part of the same game.
 

muttly

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Yo Tyrone,

You're not hearin' me man ..... read it again.

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I was responding to the following post and not to the one who is always six degrees separated from Ron Paul. Don't know much about that Bolivian marching powder you speak of Jackson. Don't have cable either and haven't seen the MSM take on it so you shouldn't pigeon hole someone.:rolleyes: This fellow who wrote the blog apparently thinks that the tea party is a bunch of right wing neocons and he is shocked,shocked that someone or anyone was wearing a Nobama shirt. So I can draw a conclusion about his ideology. So he writes this article which says that the OWS protesters shouldn't be pigeon holed yet he does the very same thing with the tea party by calling them neocons. You don't think the tea party are neocons do you? You like the tea party right R...?:D
 

davekc

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One can throw all kind of links up from people most never heard of. Right or wrong, the general public including most who are protesting, have no clue what they are protesting about except wealth redistribution and wanting their debts paid off.
Unions jumping in have a much different agenda.
I even watched NBC :eek: and they can't even explain it or a solution to anything other than higher taxes and close all the banks. Granted I don't pay it much attention, but I
think they need to get a cohesive message with solutions before they really do anything else.
 

chefdennis

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Its ALL AGENDA DRIVEN...just follow the money and see who is looking to benefit for who...and if anyone thinks that the BULK of the public isn't taking in all of the "miscredents" and saying this is BS...well you are kidding yourselves...

With the Unions and the commies getting involved and now the protestors stealing from their "fellow" protesters....

They are turning off the voters and anyone that ties themselves (the dnc and barry) had better hope this dies out in the short term or it they had better move away from them or it will cost them down the road if they continue their support..but then again, this is all right out of barrys play book....

It is being reported that most Dems in NC and Virginia turned tail and disappereared and didn't want to appear with barry at all in the last 2 days when he was on his "non-campiagn" bus tour....seems they are "distanting" themselves from him...
 

Tennesseahawk

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This fellow who wrote the blog apparently thinks that the tea party is a bunch of right wing neocons and he is shocked,shocked that someone or anyone was wearing a Nobama shirt. So I can draw a conclusion about his ideology. So he writes this article which says that the OWS protesters shouldn't be pigeon holed yet he does the very same thing with the tea party by calling them neocons. You don't think the tea party are neocons do you? You like the tea party right R...?:D

"A young black guy with a NOBAMA shirt on marched by us holding an End the Fed sign. That was the last thing I thought I would see."

" It has absolutely nothing to do with the two establishment political parties. It is not a Democratic Tea Party. It isn’t the Republican neo-con version of the Tea Party either. But it does have the feel of the original Boston Tea Party, telling the authorities to stick it up their asses."

That's funny. I didn't read what you read. Like Rlent suggested... read it again.
 

Tennesseahawk

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One can throw all kind of links up from people most never heard of. Right or wrong, the general public including most who are protesting, have no clue what they are protesting about except wealth redistribution and wanting their debts paid off.
Unions jumping in have a much different agenda.
I even watched NBC :eek: and they can't even explain it or a solution to anything other than higher taxes and close all the banks. Granted I don't pay it much attention, but I
think they need to get a cohesive message with solutions before they really do anything else.

Well that's about what it comes down to... people not paying attention. It's easy for people to see what a news agency wants them to see. And the reason there is no cohesive message, is because people want different things. If you remember correctly, the Tea Party started out cohesively, until others joined who wanted different things. It got to be a cluster....

The thing that I wonder about with these protesters tho... if they're liberal/socialist, how can they say they want liberty? Liberty is not freedom from banks and corporations; at least how I define it. It's the freedom from government intrusion into our livelihood. It's government not telling us we have to buy x brand of healthcare, or electric car, or light bulb. But somehow I think the light bulb of another kind is starting to burn in the brains of some of these protesters. I think they're realizing big business/banks and big government are bedfellows. To get rid of one, you have to exterminate them all.
 

cheri1122

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One can throw all kind of links up from people most never heard of.

Which is one thing I appreciate: others finding things I didn't know about, and I read them, and make up my own mind. [I already have a good idea of what the famous talking heads will say.]

Right or wrong, the general public including most who are protesting, have no clue what they are protesting about except wealth redistribution and wanting their debts paid off.

That's exactly the image the MSM keeps pushing - but it's not the truth. The protesters know exactly what they're protesting [wealth has been distributed with gross unfairness for decades] and it has nothing to do with wanting their debts paid off, it's about not being screwed by the government that their work has paid for.

Unions jumping in have a much different agenda.
I even watched NBC :eek: and they can't even explain it or a solution to anything other than higher taxes and close all the banks. Granted I don't pay it much attention, but I
think they need to get a cohesive message with solutions before they really do anything else.

Not to worry: I think they will get their fecal matter into a state of cohesion, however long it takes.....because they're morally 100% in the right.
 
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