Volvo Straight Truck?

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I've never seen a Class 8 Volvo configured as a straight truck expediter. The BBC spec (bumper to back of cab) for the Volvo VHD model is 113.6 inches. If I also specify a 96" sleeper, is there enough truck left for a 22 foot box? Assuming a 40 foot truck bumper to bumper, the numbers work out. But what, if anything am I overlooking? Would such a configuration also support a reefer and lift gate?
 

Refer Hauler

Expert Expediter
The Volvo VHD is a construction series truck, I believe the standard front axle is a 20K unit, A lot more than a straight truck hauling freight needs, I'm considering stretching a VN day cab unit to handle my 26ft box, I don't use a sleeper and get a lot of freight that won't fit in a smaller box, The Volvo engines are very reliable and efficient
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Finally! Someone who is thinking through some of the same issues I am. Thank you for your reply. Configuring a truck is new to me. I'd love to hear more.

In your opinion, is Volvo the quietest tractor on the road? If not, what are some other quiet ones?

We're dreaming about our ideal D unit. For us (me and wife) that includes a 96" sleeper with shower and toilet, generator, reefer, lift gate, full consumer electronics package, etc. What kind of things do I need to be aware of regarding weight and axles?

Is Class 8 the way to go as some have suggested? Or will Class 7 do just as well?

What other issues do I need to be aware of?

(Money issues are a given. No need to address that here. I'm more interested in truck issues at the moment.)
 

Freight_Shaker

Expert Expediter
i have a class 7 truck now and am trying to argue the fact to my boss about going up to class 8 any good arguments i can use? i personally like a bigger truck in terms of reliabilty and stregnth to haul a decent load
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Well, to be honest, this is a JOB and I have seen VERY few instances where O/O's who have tried to make a truck into a motor home have lasted. Just go to a truck stop, and try to find any- few exist. Now more than ever trucking is about money and competition, and only the strongest survive. Making a truck into something super-quiet and comfy can be done, but costs BIG $. If you are new and know little about the industry, DO NOT TEST THIS! That $90K truck you order will completely destroy you quickly if you are assuming any moron in the world can drive a truck, which a lot of people do. Your typical expediter accepts the discomforts associated with being a trucker.
Let me give you a few for instances as the stuff places like FedEx try to coax you into getting, such as lift gates and reefer units. Many auto assembly plants are now refusing any truck with a lift gate to unload on their facility, and a good 60-70% of your expedite freight will be auto related. The reefer? If you use it once or twice a year it will be a miracle. So is your Volvo idea the latest innovation? No. There are a lot of nicely spec'ed class 8 Volvo expedite straight trucks on the road right now.
At this point, A Team, (and I'm seriously NOT being an #####) it looks to me (judging from your questions) like you need to put a bit more thought into this other than worrying about a class 7 or 8 truck. I moderate the "Truck Talk" forum where you can chat about truck questions all you want, but I am saving you from a lot of pain!
-Weave-
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
It does sound like I was being a bit of an #####, so I'll try to clarify a little more. As far as your equipment goes, if you are new, START OUT WITH SOMETHING MODEST! By that I mean a truck under $60k. You will have no trouble finding a nice late model unit for that, and maybe even something in a class 8. Check the EO classifieds. Finance it for 36 months, and see how things go. If after that you like expediting and are cutting the payment and all, THEN you can build the Queen Mary and finance it for 5 or 6 years. You will be able to live with the modest truck for 2.5-3 years, believe me. This is my best recommendation as far as a fairly safe way to start out being an owner/operator. Another way would be driving for people like Housworth, who have a lease-to-own program I belive for those who can't come up with the BIG down payments that are required now to own a truck.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>It does sound like I was being a bit of an #####, so I'll
>try to clarify a little more.

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Not so much an "#####," but you are making assumptions about us, our motivations, and our work ethics that are off the mark. We've read your posts with great interest and appreciate, more than you know, the time you put in these forums and the wisdom you share.
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As far as your equipment
>goes, if you are new, START OUT WITH SOMETHING MODEST!
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If after that you
>like expediting and are cutting the payment and all, THEN
>you can build the Queen Mary and finance it for 5 or 6
>years.

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Your assumption that we plan to buy a truck right away is incorrect. Our plan is to begin driving for a fleet owner. Virtually everyone we've talked to, dealers included, have urged us to drive someone else's truck first. It's advice we've taken to heart.

If the expediting work and lifestyle meets our expectations, we'll get serious about truck purchase decisions. For now, dreaming about our "Queen Mary" truck is a happy distraction as we do our serious business. My Volvo question was a Queen Mary question.

That said, I'd love to find a Volvo dealer who understands expediting. If you know any, please advise. You can reply by private message if you prefer to name one in private.
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Ok, I understand, and running for a fleet owner at first is a very good idea. Just about any standard Volvo tractor could be stretched into a straight truck. But, if you plan to go all out when you are ready and order a brand new factory built truck, things will be a matter of whether Volvo will supply a long frame chassis from the factory. I'm sure they will as I think the "Little Deuce Coupe" was a factory build, but it's essentially a C unit. For a 22 or 24 foot D unit, I highly recommend getting a double frame setup from the factory. Just start talking to Volvo dealers who are near where you live- you'll eventually find one who knows what the factory can do. One thing I can tell you though, your truck custom made this way will be well over $100k just for the chassis.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Been away for a while running hard in a tired out FL 70 with a 60 inch sleeper but the revenue stays with me ,not some finance company.If memory serves me correctly the Little Duce Coupe was about $250-275 K. Lots of Bucks to put out for this life style,but each to his own.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We found a Volvo rep who knew nothing of expediting but was willing to learn. Once he saw expediting truck pictures, he went to work. We've explained that a sale is over a year away, if we buy at all. I've repeatedly told him to put his paying customers first. He keeps saying, "It's OK." "No problem." I don't call him often but he calls me a lot. Since he's initiating the calls and inviting me in, I'm OK taking up the time he seems willing to give.

We specked out a cab and chasis the other day. The price came in around $100,000, give or take, depending on features such as dash board display, transmission type, etc. This is full list price before FET. If we specify minimal features, it's about $95,000. If we say yes to most options and upgrades its around $125,000. Then you have to think about sleeper, box, and ask yes or no about reefer, generator, lift gate, and dozens of other items.

I've put about three hours into this in the last two weeks. It's like a couple thinking up their dream house. The purchase is far off. But it's fun to draw plans just the same.

Far more important than a future truck purchase is finding a fleet owner and carrier my wife and I can begin with this August. I've spent over 30 hours this week interviewing fleet owners and recruiters. That's the serious business at hand. As I said in an earlier post, the dream truck exercise is a happy distraction.

I'm not sure what the Little Duce Coupe is. If it's that big yellow truck we see in pictures here and there, that seems a bit over the edge for us. We have seen a truck named White Tiger. Show trucks like that are fun to look at. But when we buy the truck of our dreams, we'll probably name it "the truck." For us, it's not about winning trophies at truck shows. It's about comfort on the road, AND profitability.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I have seen 2 Volvo D units.One was a 660 and the other a 610.The 610 couple were from California and the 660 belonged to a guy in North Carolina.Both units had integeral sleepers and were outfitted very well. I think they had setback front axles for the weight limitations. I have been told the 770 is too heavy on the front axle to become a straight truck. Nice units for sure.
 

Fr8 Shaker

Veteran Expediter
Just wanted to say forget the reefer and lift gate. you won't need either one. If for some reason you get out of expediting and find the need for a lift gate you can always have that added later. As for the reefer you won't need that unless your hauling produce which i've never seen expedited. At least through an expediting company. Not to mention the added weight both would add to your truck.

Food for thought...as far as the truck it self, keep in mind a lot of o/o have lost their trucks the past few years due to the economy and higher fuel prices. Seeing that the majority of frieght we haul is auto related, when they get slow we all get slow. nothing worse then making a big truck pmt. on a truck sitting in the driveway.

Might want to try finding a good used truck (1-2 yrs. old) with what your looking for in a truck. chances are good someone tried doing what you want and didn't quite work out. you'll save some big bucks!!

Good Luck,
Fr8 Shaker
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
A-Team, have you considered talking to the Housworth's? They seem to be very respectable people from what I have heard, and that is very hard to find in the trucking business. Probably good people to drive for and get your feet wet in the business, who also understand you might want to be a truck owner in the future. Might want to give them a call.
-Weave-
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Fr8 Shaker has it right on the money- the place where it counts. I myself thought of doing a survey of anyone, especially hubby-wife teams with no trucking experience who went out and bought the $100k truck to start out in and succeded. But, I don't have to do that because I'm pretty sure at this point that there aren't any.
Math Time!!!
Principal- $100,000
Down Payment- (Now at least 15% for new buyers with no exp)- $15,000
Interest rate for new buyers is about 9% now.
Amount financed- $85,000
Term for new truck- 72 months if you are lucky
Monthly payment (I=PRT)- $1818.06/72 mos
For 60 mos (more realistic) = $2054.17
Now, do you want to spend that much money for a TRUCK? I know I don't.
-Weave-
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Weave,

Thanks for the tip. We've talked to a number of fleet owners and hope to talk with more. In the interests of professionalism and confidentiality, we believe it best to keep such contacts and conversations private. The fleet owners are more generous with their time than we'd ever expect. They are surprisingly open in sharing the details of their business with us. They might not be so forthcoming if they saw me talking about them here. Just as fleet owners are being careful to not spread private details about our business around, we're being careful to not do the same about theirs.

It is fair to say, however, that the Housworth's have a remarkable reputation in the industry. Before contacting anyone, we figured that much out by doing a search of the EO forums. Drivers we met at the Louisville truck show also spoke highly of the Housworths.
 
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