Volvo D11 Eco-Torque or Paccar PX-6, which has best economy?

[T270_Dreamin]

Anyone looked into these? I think it would be nice is someone was running a newer t270 px6 or hybrid or a volvo VNM64T200. In the end it should be about fuel economy. If anyone is I would like to know more about your MPG and also what is required to convert the volvo over to a expeditor with 22' box. I currently drive a sprinter but I have a class b and the ideas are there.

Thanks in advance!

 

[zorry]

Have 2012 D13 . 120,000 miles 4.5 hours of repairs( a scheduled update).
I was in a Pete and couldn't get a recommendation on the paccar motor from a friend that was service manager. He repeatedly told me buy all the extra warranties. I spoke to a fedex ground guy that had just had a 21 day repair waiting for a paccar engine computer. I would highly recommend the volvo.Jeff Tackett 419-782-9950 stocks 20 40ft long volvo vnl daycabs set up to become motor homes. ARI can do a condo style conversion. That would be my first choice, if I were to build another truck.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

Have 2012 D13 . 120,000 miles 4.5 hours of repairs( a scheduled update).
I was in a Pete and couldn't get a recommendation on the paccar motor from a friend that was service manager. He repeatedly told me buy all the extra warranties. I spoke to a fedex ground guy that had just had a 21 day repair waiting for a paccar engine computer. I would highly recommend the volvo.Jeff Tackett 419-782-9950 stocks 20 40ft long volvo vnl daycabs set up to become motor homes. ARI can do a condo style conversion. That would be my first choice, if I were to build another truck.

Nice those rigs are pricey but that seems to be just how much they cost.. without a sleeper. Do you have any pics of your rig? I take it you have a volvo straight truck?

http://www.stykemaintrucks.com/land...ID=1&pcid=2000663865&dlr=1&bcatid=26&cond=new

 

[zorry]

They aren't pricey when comparing apples to apples.
Probably more truck than most on this site need.
I have a 20,000# front axle. The 16,000# is probably better.
The 500 hp is overkill unless you want to pull a pup or yank the box and be able to add a fifth wheel. Mines rated at 80,000#
We can't get below 10mpg as a thirty day average. That's ungoverned and no attempts at being areodynamic.
There is room to get the mpg's up.
That D11 would probably be awesome.
Sorry, no pics.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

That is a lot of miles you put on your truck already, must have had it out to the west coast a few times. I think for expediting all you would need is the d11, they make different horsepower versions of each engine according to the website the lowest is 325hp. What would the average load weight be for a straight truck? The guy at the dealer said they start to lag and not be as economic when you put a big load on them. I'd imagine the d11 would be just fine with a 72" sleeper and a 22 box. Might get 13mpg empty, what speed do you set your cruise at when getting 10mpg?

http://www.ehow.com/info_7753763_information-8-volvo-truck-engine.html

 

[zorry]

With plenty of hp we've gotten 10+ at 13,000 payload. I imagine our average is probably under 2,000 lbs as we do mostly very specialized freight.
We usually cruise at 65 which keeps us in our sweet spot.
We run all 48.
We're gonna work on some areodynamic stuff this year. The ARI condo deal would have been great
but was introduced a few weeks after my truck was completed.
I've run super-singles on my last two trucks. I'd have to re-do my auto chains at great expense to switch over.
We're pleased with the 10plus mpg, but if I were to order one, with D-11, I would be aiming for 12-13 as an expeditor.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

A VN 670 with sleeper already in place with a d11 powerplant would be awesome but I hear they make a d13 in a 375 hp engine. Only 50 hp more then the d11.. mpg seems it wouldn't be that far off. I doubt you an order a vn 630 or 670 in a straight truck version.

 

[zorry]

Jeff told me he could order a 730 as a straight.
We have a fleet owner that took a 780 ( used US Exp), stretched it , and added a reefer box.
I know we have a guy building a Volvo/ARI c unit and I spoke to a guy today that's planning a Volvo/108" ARI.
That's a nice thing about ARI and ICT. They are custom enough to build what you want in 6" increments.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

Jeff told me he could order a 730 as a straight.
We have a fleet owner that took a 780 ( used US Exp), stretched it , and added a reefer box.
I know we have a guy building a Volvo/ARI c unit and I spoke to a guy today that's planning a Volvo/108" ARI.
That's a nice thing about ARI and ICT. They are custom enough to build what you want in 6" increments.

Seems to be what they did to this 780 here.

https://www.expeditersonline.com/ex...dded DESC&p=25&location=&submit=Search&page=1

That truck seems to be about 10k overpriced. I think it has been for sale forever. I wonder how much it cost to stretch a 780?

If I could find a 780 one day with a 375 hp spec d13 engine, that might be the way to go, sleeper in place saves $. I here that ARI stuff is crazy expensive. I'm a young rookie cargo van (sprinter) dreamer.

I wonder if there is a company that can stretch a 430 cab into a 80" sleeper. http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/na/en-us/products/vn/vn430/Pages/overview.aspx

you could then get the 325 hp d11 and still have plenty of space. At that point I'm sure many would say just get a VNL 300 and build your own.

 

[BigCat]

Why not do a 640 with a frame stretch? Mine is auto I shift and cruises 65 at 1250 rpm. Pulling loaded trailer with 44000 it gets about 8 mpg. It isn't a fancy truck but is very comfortable.

 

[zorry]

How do you like the I-Shift ?
I never met a man that didn't like his I-Shift.
What engine do you have ? What year ?
I have a friend at Mercer looking at used Volvos.

 

[BigCat]

Mine is an 07. I'm not sure offhand of the motor but as for the transmission I didn't think I would like an auto but I have been really impressed.

 

[moose]

The problem with Volvo trucks is that they are too heavy.
unlike other EOM's, no matter what motor you drop in, you are still going to get the same radiator/CAC & DPF/SCR package.
Volvo do not offer 'light package' like most other EOM's. no 'light disk break',suspension, or alloy 5th wheel. ext.
Piterbuilt/KW can drop a whopping 3,200p. off of their schassy's (for a fee) if one choose to. even the LoneStar is lighter. Freightlinger's vocational schassy offer the DD13/Allison's combo that is over 6,000p. lighter then the Volvo one.
this is why you don't see many expediters Volvo's. see the above comment regarding the 20,000p. front axle. (and try to find a tire to mach it!).
amassing as it is, you also don't see many heavy haulers (flats/reefers -that get paid 'by the pound') using the larger D16 motor/I-Shift, especially not with the larger VN780/880. some have to give. simply too heavy for a trucking outfits that needs to 'increase it's load availability'.

 

[zorry]

I believe Volvo does offer a light package, but with the steel cab they will never be the lightest. Tidewater Transport runs tankers and they probably know how to get them as light as anybody.
When GM/Volvo teamed up the truck hauling fleet I was in for ten years required Volvo's. When they began allowing anything, most guys stayed with Volvo.
A friend from Monroe Mi, avid drag racer/ gear head, stayed behind at the bottom of a hill while running mt with five or six fellow drivers."i'll catch up" he told the guys.
His real intention was to wow them with his triple digit truck.
Not real mature.
Racing up the hill, he decided to pass on the right heading into a curve.
He rear-ended a Yellow set of doubles that was chugging along in the right lane.
The engine dropped down under the cab, the air bag deployed, the crumble zones crumbled properly. He walked away from a big wreck.
The company waived discipline in exchange for making a Seat Belts saved my life poster. The secret is he wasn't even wearing his seatbelt.
He feit as silly as fellow driver Greg Wilson, who armour-all'd the seat of his drag bike, and watched it go down the dragstrip without him.
A fellow Fedex driver got a ticket this week. Lift axle up. 200 lb load, 2100 over on drive. Opps ! DR unit.
Can any DR unit even run legal with their lift axle up ?

 

[zorry]

Moose, comparing a Frtlnr vocational truck to a Volvo with 6000lb difference doesn't make sense. Did Volvo have a dump body and thr Frtlnr just cab and chassis ?
Parked next to Landstar TT. Massive ARI sleeper. He had 14,200 or 14,600 steertek front axle. He had identical tires. We talked at length, comparing specs and notes. It's not that uncommon of a size. Haven't checked availability. Will downsize tire at replacement as I couldn't get that kind of wt on steer if I wanted to.
Will put tires rated at 16,000# or so. Will replace steers in 2013.

 

[T270_Dreamin]

Would it be possible to take sleeper from a wrecked volvo 780 and weld it to a VNL 300 or a VN 430 straight frame truck? I imagine a used sleeper would be a pretty decent deal, I really like the factory sleepers from the 780, seems like plenty of room and really tall.

Anyone with a straight truck out there that could comment on the average weight of most loads that you haul?

Moose what is the reason behind dropping pounds? Fill me in if you would... I know less weight equals better fuel economy but the volvo's seem to outshine the others already in that dept with more weight. A KW t270 225 hp engine px6 can only get 9-10MPG, its a class 6 truck. I could imagine its only down hill from there when taking larger engine option!