Vitamins may shorten life

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
BBC

When it comes to vitamins, it appears you could have too much of a good thing, say researchers who report a link between their use and higher death rates among older women.

Experts have suspected for some time that supplements may only be beneficial if a person is deficient in a nutrient.

And excess may even harm, as the study in Archives of Internal Medicine finds.

All of the women, in their 50s and 60s, were generally well nourished yet many had decided to take supplements.

Multivitamins, folic acid, vitamin B6, magnesium, zinc, copper and iron in particular appeared to increase mortality risk.

The researchers believe consumers are buying supplements with no evidence that they will provide any benefit.

They are quick to stress that their study relied on the 38,000 US women who took part in it recalling what vitamins and minerals they had taken over the previous two decades.

And it is difficult to control for all other factors, like general physical health, that might have influenced the findings.

But they say their findings suggest that supplements should only be used if there is a strong medically-based cause for doing so because of the potential to cause harm.

"Based on existing evidence, we see little justification for the general and widespread use of dietary supplements," Dr Jaakko Mursu of the University of Eastern Finland and his research colleagues said.

Less is more

In the study, iron tablets were strongly linked with a small (2.4%) increased death risk, as were many other supplements. The link with iron was dose-dependent, meaning the more of it the individual took, the higher their risk was.

Conversely, calcium supplements appeared to reduce death risk. However, the researchers say this finding needs more investigation and they do not recommend that people take calcium unless advised to by a doctor in order to treat a deficiency.

Drs Christian Gluud and Goran Bjelakovic, who review research for the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews to evaluate best evidence, said: "We think the paradigm 'The more the better' is wrong."

They say dietary supplementation has shifted from preventing deficiency to trying to promote wellness and prevent diseases, and caution: "We believe that for all micronutrients, risks are associated with insufficient and too-large intake."

Helen Bond of the British Dietetic Association said some people, like the elderly, might need to take certain supplements. For example, vitamin D is recommended for people over the age of 65.

But she said that generally, people should be able to get all the vitamins and minerals they needed from a healthy, balanced diet.

She said some took supplements as an insurance policy, wrongly assuming that they could do no harm. "But too much can be toxic and it is easy to inadvertently take more than the recommended daily amount."
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
BBC

When it comes to vitamins, it appears you could have too much of a good thing, say researchers who report a link between their use and higher death rates among older women.

Experts have suspected for some time that supplements may only be beneficial if a person is deficient in a nutrient.

And excess may even harm, as the study in Archives of Internal Medicine finds.

All of the women, in their 50s and 60s, were generally well nourished yet many had decided to take supplements.

Multivitamins, folic acid, vitamin B6, magnesium, zinc, copper and iron in particular appeared to increase mortality risk.

The researchers believe consumers are buying supplements with no evidence that they will provide any benefit.

They are quick to stress that their study relied on the 38,000 US women who took part in it recalling what vitamins and minerals they had taken over the previous two decades.

And it is difficult to control for all other factors, like general physical health, that might have influenced the findings.

But they say their findings suggest that supplements should only be used if there is a strong medically-based cause for doing so because of the potential to cause harm.

"Based on existing evidence, we see little justification for the general and widespread use of dietary supplements," Dr Jaakko Mursu of the University of Eastern Finland and his research colleagues said.

Less is more

In the study, iron tablets were strongly linked with a small (2.4%) increased death risk, as were many other supplements. The link with iron was dose-dependent, meaning the more of it the individual took, the higher their risk was.

Conversely, calcium supplements appeared to reduce death risk. However, the researchers say this finding needs more investigation and they do not recommend that people take calcium unless advised to by a doctor in order to treat a deficiency.

Drs Christian Gluud and Goran Bjelakovic, who review research for the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews to evaluate best evidence, said: "We think the paradigm 'The more the better' is wrong."

They say dietary supplementation has shifted from preventing deficiency to trying to promote wellness and prevent diseases, and caution: "We believe that for all micronutrients, risks are associated with insufficient and too-large intake."

Helen Bond of the British Dietetic Association said some people, like the elderly, might need to take certain supplements. For example, vitamin D is recommended for people over the age of 65.

But she said that generally, people should be able to get all the vitamins and minerals they needed from a healthy, balanced diet.

She said some took supplements as an insurance policy, wrongly assuming that they could do no harm. "But too much can be toxic and it is easy to inadvertently take more than the recommended daily amount."
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roejack

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A 2.4% increased death risk? Are they serious? I find it hard to believe they can associate that with any of the supplements substances. I also doubt that it can harm you much, but im not a doctor or a researcher of some kind but I assume you would have to take MASSIVE amounts of Vitamins to overdose and get some sort of negative effect.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
A 2.4% increased death risk? Are they serious? I find it hard to believe they can associate that with any of the supplements substances. I also doubt that it can harm you much, but im not a doctor or a researcher of some kind but I assume you would have to take MASSIVE amounts of Vitamins to overdose and get some sort of negative effect.


Personally, IMO, I think the gist of this story is, most ppl are taking vits thinking that they are helping themselves, when in fact they don't need them and are wasting their money.
And, that too much of any vit can cause toxicity in presumably an organ, which can't be good :(
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Many double blind studies have shown that vitamin suppliments are at best, useless. There is strong evidence that they can interfere with cancer treatment.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Personally, IMO, I think the gist of this story is, ...

I think you missed it ...

Multivitamins, folic acid, vitamin B6, magnesium, zinc, copper and iron in particular appeared to increase mortality risk.

Where's the proof and how was the study actually setup?

The researchers believe consumers are buying supplements with no evidence that they will provide any benefit.

Again where's the proof?

They are quick to stress that their study relied on the 38,000 US women who took part in it recalling what vitamins and minerals they had taken over the previous two decades.

Ahh... now we see something.

See here is the problem, this isn't a medical study at all, it is more or less a survey.

And it is difficult to control for all other factors, like general physical health, that might have influenced the findings.

So in a study, these factors are included in the data intake and taken in account on how the heath of the patient would influence the outcome of the findings.

But they say their findings suggest that supplements should only be used if there is a strong medically-based cause for doing so because of the potential to cause harm.

Based on the evidence, the survey and the lack of actual medical data, I would think this is akin to saying don't play on the freeway.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
I think you missed it ...



Where's the proof and how was the study actually setup?



Again where's the proof?



Ahh... now we see something.

See here is the problem, this isn't a medical study at all, it is more or less a survey.



So in a study, these factors are included in the data intake and taken in account on how the heath of the patient would influence the outcome of the findings.



Based on the evidence, the survey and the lack of actual medical data, I would think this is akin to saying don't play on the freeway.



Agreed it does not sound like a very sound study (or write up). But there has been more on this subject than just this one.

For example .....

A vitamin a day may do more harm than good
If you're banking on a daily vitamin to make up for any deficiencies in your diet, you may be getting a whole lot more — or less — than you bargained for.

Of 21 brands of multivitamins on the market in the United States and Canada selectedby ConsumerLab.com and tested by independent laboratories, just 10 met the stated claims on their labels or satisfied other quality standards.

Most worrisome, according to ConsumerLab.com president Dr. Tod Cooperman, is that one product, The Vitamin Shoppe Multivitamins Especially for Women, was contaminated with lead.

more
A vitamin a day may do more harm than good - Health - Diet and nutrition - msnbc.com




Vitamin E, which many people believe protects against heart disease and cancer, has been found to increase risk of heart failure and cancer when people take anything more than 400 IUs a day.

Vitamin A can cause birth defects in high doses so it's potentially hazardous for women who may become pregnant. A 2002 Harvard study of more than 72,000 nurses showed that high doses of vitamin A led to a higher risk of hip fractures.

Vitamin C is popular, especially during cold season, but there's no evidence that it prevents colds. It may shorten the duration by a very small amount, but not enough to notice. New studies have found vitamin C, if taken at the same time a patient is getting certain medical treatments, such as chemo for cancer, can interfere with that treatment.

more
Some Vitamins Can Do More Harm Than Good - ABC News


and this more recent report from Discovery news (4 days ago)

Taking vitamins to prevent health problems and disease may not be helpful in the long-run, according to a couple of studies this week -- and in some cases it may even harm you.

Research questioning the effectiveness of vitamin supplements has surged in recent years. But what's the deal with vitamin supplements? Why are they under scrutiny, and when can they be good for you?

more
Can Vitamins Harm Your Health? : Discovery News


As you can probably tell, I do not believe in taking supplements LOL :D:p
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't take supplements neither....a balanced diet is a far better way to go....

I tried them Fish oil pills you know for omega3 supplement..My doctor no less said I'd get more Omega3 if I just ate 1 serving a week or every other week of fish...
Potassium can be dangerous if you have too much...One of my heart pills eats potassium...that is the reason I took them...now I eat more bananas....pretty soon I'll be swingin thru the trees....LOL
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Hey OVM, my doctor told me to take a potassium supplement, mine was too low.

Hey EnglsihLady, how funny is this? When I read YOUR posts on the subject I read the word "vitamin" in "English". When I read others I read that word in " 'Merican" !! LOL!!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Hey OVM, my doctor told me to take a potassium supplement, mine was too low.

Hey EnglsihLady, how funny is this? When I read YOUR posts on the subject I read the word "vitamin" in "English". When I read others I read that word in " 'Merican" !! LOL!!

That is the lazy way Joe...gee whiz....Look at your diet see what needs to be done....once them pills gets it up there...maintain with the potassium rich foods.....dump the pill....unless something is eating your potassium?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
That is the lazy way Joe...gee whiz....Look at your diet see what needs to be done....once them pills gets it up there...maintain with the potassium rich foods.....dump the pill....unless something is eating your potassium?

Just doing what I was told. I thought I was getting enough. My blood work said otherwise. I have NO idea why I was not getting what I needed. Since going on the supplement the numbers are perfect. Who knows? I try to follow what the doctor says.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just doing what I was told. I thought I was getting enough. My blood work said otherwise. I have NO idea why I was not getting what I needed. Since going on the supplement the numbers are perfect. Who knows? I try to follow what the doctor says.

Just be care full Joe...too much of a good thing can be just as bad.....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Just be care full Joe...too much of a good thing can be just as bad.....

Just following orders. My last blood work, 2 months ago, had my potassium dead center on the scale. Been there for 6 years now. That is how long I have been on the supplement. I get blood work at least every 6 months, sometimes more often than that.

Too much or too little potassium can mess up the heart's electrical system. Then, again, so can sticking your finger in a wall socket! :p
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just following orders. My last blood work, 2 months ago, had my potassium dead center on the scale. Been there for 6 years now. That is how long I have been on the supplement. I get blood work at least every 6 months, sometimes more often than that.

Too much or too little potassium can mess up the heart's electrical system. Then, again, so can sticking your finger in a wall socket! :p

"Just following orders?" Coming from a guy who speaks of taking responsibility for ones life?....Come on Joe....Taking a pill is the lazy way.....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"Just following orders?" Coming from a guy who speaks of taking responsibility for ones life?....Come on Joe....Taking a pill is the lazy way.....



Maybe, I don't know. My diet has always been varied and I ate, according to my DR, more than enough of the right foods for my potassium to be where is should be. I STILL eat like that. It was only since I went on that supplement that my numbers have come up to where they should be. A problem in digestions maybe? I don't know. All I know is that every in that regard has been hunky dory since I started on it.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Maybe, I don't know. My diet has always been varied and I ate, according to my DR, more than enough of the right foods for my potassium to be where is should be. I STILL eat like that. It was only since I went on that supplement that my numbers have come up to where they should be. A problem in digestions maybe? I don't know. All I know is that every in that regard has been hunky dory since I started on it.

It is all your carriers fault....:p....LOL
 
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