vans weight station states questions
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I don't run Canada so I Can't answer that .What I do is read the sign if it Says "ALL COMMERCIAL VECHICLES" I go across the scales.If it says Commercial Trucks I don't. Thats what I've done since 1997 when I started Expediting. And never had a Problem yet.
watch the signs for a weight as well. Iowa for one is 6000 Lbs or more, South Dakota is 7000, Wisconsin is 8000 I think. I go in if my GVW is higher than what is on the sign. I also go in when it says ALL COMERCIAL TRUCKS or what have you. No clue on canada. Non-canada lease.
I've been making some phone calls, trying to put together a list, state by state, as to this very issue. So far, I haven't gotten a straight answer from anyone! As stated in the other replies, watch the signs. Some states are starting to change the wording on the signs at the weigh stations.
I will make a prediction, that within the next 3 to 5 years, all cargo vans, with USDOT numbers plastered on the sides, will be required to log and weigh. This is just an untapped source of monies for each state.
I'll keep trying to obtain more information on this subject, and I'll post it here as soon as I get it.
I will make a prediction, that within the next 3 to 5 years, all cargo vans, with USDOT numbers plastered on the sides, will be required to log and weigh. This is just an untapped source of monies for each state.
I'll keep trying to obtain more information on this subject, and I'll post it here as soon as I get it.
I've got a question you can ask while calling around. When it says "All trucks over 7000 Pounds" do they mean actual or gross? I never know. So I just pull in. I'd rather be told "stay off my scale" than "you should have pulled in, here is your ticket please follow me to the scale".
>I've got a question you can ask while calling around. When
>it says "All trucks over 7000 Pounds" do they mean actual or
>gross? I never know. So I just pull in. I'd rather be told
>"stay off my scale" than "you should have pulled in, here is
>your ticket please follow me to the scale".
Made some more calls on Monday, and Iowa was one state I called, since they have been a topic in the past. I talked with a semi rude Sgt. with Commerical Vehicle Enforcement, and he explained that cargo vans DO NOT need to weigh in Iowa. They only want TRUCKS to weigh. I explained to him, that my cargo van is registered as a truck, and he informed me that Iowa considers a TRUCK a vehicle with a weight listed on the side. So you don't need to worry about Iowa...
...but you do need to worry about Kentucky! In KY, they consider a truck anything, "... from an S-10 to a Volvo!". Passing a scale in Kentucky, in a cargo van, could, I repeat, COULD cause the DOT to come after you. They (KY) considers it a moving violation, to pass a scale, and the fine is $100.00.
I don't want to nickle and dime this, so I'm trying to get as much info put together, as quickly as possible, so I can post everything at once.
Happy Motoring!
>it says "All trucks over 7000 Pounds" do they mean actual or
>gross? I never know. So I just pull in. I'd rather be told
>"stay off my scale" than "you should have pulled in, here is
>your ticket please follow me to the scale".
Made some more calls on Monday, and Iowa was one state I called, since they have been a topic in the past. I talked with a semi rude Sgt. with Commerical Vehicle Enforcement, and he explained that cargo vans DO NOT need to weigh in Iowa. They only want TRUCKS to weigh. I explained to him, that my cargo van is registered as a truck, and he informed me that Iowa considers a TRUCK a vehicle with a weight listed on the side. So you don't need to worry about Iowa...
...but you do need to worry about Kentucky! In KY, they consider a truck anything, "... from an S-10 to a Volvo!". Passing a scale in Kentucky, in a cargo van, could, I repeat, COULD cause the DOT to come after you. They (KY) considers it a moving violation, to pass a scale, and the fine is $100.00.
I don't want to nickle and dime this, so I'm trying to get as much info put together, as quickly as possible, so I can post everything at once.
Happy Motoring!
>Does anybody know what states require vans to stop at
>coops/and does Canada require weight station stops and a
>seperation between sleeper and cargo area:7
CANADA is too broad a question; but I'm sure you actually mean ONTARIO.
Here is a link to the Ontario Ministry of Transport Bus and Truck information page. It might answer your question.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/
Hope this helps.
>coops/and does Canada require weight station stops and a
>seperation between sleeper and cargo area:7
CANADA is too broad a question; but I'm sure you actually mean ONTARIO.
Here is a link to the Ontario Ministry of Transport Bus and Truck information page. It might answer your question.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/
Hope this helps.
>I've got a question you can ask while calling around. When
>it says "All trucks over 7000 Pounds" do they mean actual or
>gross? I never know. So I just pull in. I'd rather be told
>"stay off my scale" than "you should have pulled in, here is
>your ticket please follow me to the scale".
They likely mean Gross Registered Weight.
Just guessing though.
>it says "All trucks over 7000 Pounds" do they mean actual or
>gross? I never know. So I just pull in. I'd rather be told
>"stay off my scale" than "you should have pulled in, here is
>your ticket please follow me to the scale".
They likely mean Gross Registered Weight.
Just guessing though.
mvbn1:
Several years ago, all comm'l vehicles had to scale in KY. The vans had bingo cards back then with a KY sticker. When KY joined IFTA, the bingo cards disappeared and the scaling in KY became a matter of concern to the vanners. I went into a scale house in Elizabethtown, talked with Officer Upshur and was informed by him that <10,001 # vans no longer had to scale. I have not entered a KY scale since.
Iowa and Wisconsin are other good examples of signs emphatically stating the requirement for our weight class to enter the scales; who you gonna believe, the semi-rude Sgt or the signs?
The moral of the story seems to be dependent on to whom you talk about the issue. My recommendation: Each O/O must enter each questionalble scale and assure themselves the procedure in that state.
Several years ago, all comm'l vehicles had to scale in KY. The vans had bingo cards back then with a KY sticker. When KY joined IFTA, the bingo cards disappeared and the scaling in KY became a matter of concern to the vanners. I went into a scale house in Elizabethtown, talked with Officer Upshur and was informed by him that <10,001 # vans no longer had to scale. I have not entered a KY scale since.
Iowa and Wisconsin are other good examples of signs emphatically stating the requirement for our weight class to enter the scales; who you gonna believe, the semi-rude Sgt or the signs?
The moral of the story seems to be dependent on to whom you talk about the issue. My recommendation: Each O/O must enter each questionalble scale and assure themselves the procedure in that state.
All of the calls I'm making, are to the Commerical Vehicle Enforcement Division, at the state level, for each state. I wanted to avoid asking personnel working in a scale house, since, I guessing, they "are the last ones to hear anything".
As far as the signs posted prior to the scale, each state has their own "wording" as to what a commerical vehicle really is. As I stated about Kentucky, their sign states ALL TRUCKS..., and they consider a truck anything from a pick-up to a heavy hauler.
The purpose of my research is to try to provide another tool, to help everyone make the right decision about pulling into a scale or not. The last thing I want to read about on this forum, is that a cargo van O/O was ticketed for not pulling into a scale.
With each state looking for more and more way to obtain monies, it won't be long before you start seeing DOT cars, lights flashing, sitting behind expediter in cargo vans up and down the interstates.
As far as the signs posted prior to the scale, each state has their own "wording" as to what a commerical vehicle really is. As I stated about Kentucky, their sign states ALL TRUCKS..., and they consider a truck anything from a pick-up to a heavy hauler.
The purpose of my research is to try to provide another tool, to help everyone make the right decision about pulling into a scale or not. The last thing I want to read about on this forum, is that a cargo van O/O was ticketed for not pulling into a scale.
With each state looking for more and more way to obtain monies, it won't be long before you start seeing DOT cars, lights flashing, sitting behind expediter in cargo vans up and down the interstates.