US 'wasted $30bn on Afghanistan and Iraq' over decade

EnglishLady

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The US government has wasted $30bn (£18bn) in contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last decade, according to a bi-partisan spending commission.

The commission on wartime contracting blamed an over-reliance on contractors, poor planning and fraud for the waste.

It had evidence of lax accountability and inadequate competition, it said.

Writing in the Washington Post, the report's authors warn that investments in the two countries could be wasted even after US involvement there ends.

Among the examples cited was a $40m prison for Iraq that the country did not want and was never completed.

US-funded projects in those two countries also risk going to waste because host governments are unable or unwilling to sustain them.

In one case, $300m was poured into a sophisticated power plant in Kabul which the Afghan government will not be able to run, and a programme worth $11.4bn of facilities for the Afghan national security forces is likely to be unsustainable.

The commission's report is due to be published on Wednesday but its authors, who include former government officials and lawmakers, have already published an opinion piece in the Washington Post, blaming both the government and contractors for the waste.

The article makes the obvious recommendation to be more rigorous when deciding whether a project should be contracted out but it also recommends cancelling or modifying projects that are not sustainable.

Beyond just a disservice to taxpayers, the report says that the waste fosters corruption in host countries and diminishes the standing and influence of the US.
 

Camper

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That's the international welfare the neocons love having in place of domestic welfare for you.

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greg334

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Yes yes that would be a few days worth but I wasn't talking about just getting the oil for a few days, I mean taking the fields from them and profiting from it to pay us back.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I do believe there should have been some kind of payback...

you know the old slogan.....Freedom isn't free...
 

Camper

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Yes yes that would be a few days worth but I wasn't talking about just getting the oil for a few days, I mean taking the fields from them and profiting from it to pay us back.

The downfall of this country is going to be its tendency to play nice as captors to those who would have annihilated us and they been the captors.



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OntarioVanMan

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The downfall of this country is going to be its tendency to play nice as captors to those who would have annihilated us and they been the captors.



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If you are talkin Iraq....they were no threat to us....

If we are going to be the world police force then we should be paid like one....if countries want us to intervene...pay us for our services...cash or trade...
 

Camper

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If you are talkin Iraq....they were no threat to us....

If we are going to be the world police force then we should be paid like one....if countries want us to intervene...pay us for our services...cash or trade...

They weren't any threat to us. Therefore we had no business being there. However, since we were there, we should have taken whatever resources we could have to offset the cost of this needless endeavor. To the victor shall go the spoils.




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greg334

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Iraq was the result of our national policy to fulfill a UN resolution. But there was also a point that can be made that the destabilizing effect on Iran was justified in itself. Until 2008, it was working, but when the election changed the direction of the country, it stopped and we are back to the empty rhetoric over Iran.
 

EnglishLady

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My thoughts on this were, if USA spent that much, how much did all the other Countries, that have served out there, put in too.

No doubt this announcement will start the ball rolling on those Countries doing their own sums now.

:rolleyes:
 

Camper

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Iraq was the result of our national policy to fulfill a UN resolution. But there was also a point that can be made that the destabilizing effect on Iran was justified in itself. Until 2008, it was working, but when the election changed the direction of the country, it stopped and we are back to the empty rhetoric over Iran.

I would argue that Iran is no more a threat to us than Iraq was which is to say no threat at all. Had it not been for our needless involvement in that region, none of those countries would have any interest in challenging the US.

The practice of picking winners and losers by giving foreign aide to certain countries, in the name of promoting "democracy" needs to end.


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greg334

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I do agree with Iran not being a real threat. The problem is convincing people of it while showing support for Israel. Many may think that we are there to shore up Israel and "protect" them but reality is we are there for Saudi, UAE and other countries that Iran wouldn't hesitate to attack.

No matter Iraq's purpose was starting to have an effect on Iran internally, especially when the people were actually seeing for themselves what happened in Iraq.

We haven't learned that we are viewed weak and the rhetoric our of leaders - both Bush and Obama have done nothing more than make those countries laugh at us. IF we continued down the path of actually fighting and using our strength to correct problems while taking something for ourselves, maybe the view would be a lot different and the respect would be gained.

North Korea is just the same thing, we should be getting paid in dollars and having SK import our stuff to support us but we sit on their border while both sides talk about unification and south Koreans vacation in the north.
 

Pilgrim

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I do agree with Iran not being a real threat. The problem is convincing people of it while showing support for Israel. Many may think that we are there to shore up Israel and "protect" them but reality is we are there for Saudi, UAE and other countries that Iran wouldn't hesitate to attack.
Iran is not a real threat - yet. Once they develop a nuclear device we - and the rest of the world - will have a real problem. Hopefully, their immediate neighbors along with Israel and the new American leadership in 2013 will keep that from happening.
 

Camper

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Iran is not a real threat - yet. Once they develop a nuclear device we - and the rest of the world - will have a real problem. Hopefully, their immediate neighbors along with Israel and the new American leadership in 2013 will keep that from happening.

Iran might very well develop nuclear capability but The nuclear capability of the US, alone offsets that potential threat. The worst that would happen is a cold war type standoff.


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OntarioVanMan

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Iran might very well develop nuclear capability but The nuclear capability of the US, alone offsets that potential threat. The worst that would happen is a cold war type standoff.


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Almost funny how when some country tells us what we should be doing , just how up yours we get but think little of telling others what, when they can do things....friend today, foe tomorrow....
 

Camper

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Almost funny how when some country tells us what we should be doing , just how up yours we get but think little of telling others what, when they can do things....friend today, foe tomorrow....

What would necon policy be without hypocrisy? LOL


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Jack_Berry

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It wasn't US taxpayer money. It belonged to china and India. US taxpayers pay the 30b AND the interest.


Thanks Georgie boy.
 

purgoose10

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Last year Iraq had a $4 billion dollar surplus because of oil sales. They were pumping at 50% of capacity. We buy a poultry 10% of their oil. Pretty bad stats if you ask me.:mad:
 
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