Trying to buy a truck

Laurdess

Seasoned Expediter
Here is the issue, I am trying to buy a truck. I am assuming since I was treated like dog *** that its not the same as buying a car. I found a truck similar to the one I drive now on this website. I called the man that owned the lot. He faxed me an application, I filled it out and faxed it back, The bank called... I (after hearing DENIED) realized they didnt even ask me for my comdata account.. all my checking accounts, basically was so ready to tell me "no" I do not feel as if I was treated with respect AT ALL. I have great credit. I am not just saying that i really do. Its 825 and that was a while ago. I have a classic Vette I could use as a trade in yet none of this was even discussed. It was thru access capitol and the man who helped me was a (its not nice to call names so I will describe him) He was a donkey :D I am going to take a stab at going to my personal bank tomrw and see how far I can get there. I have the business plan already I document EVERYTHING I do for personal records and this can be looked at like a plan.
Access Cap- (Mike to be exact) not only laughed thru my iggnorance (I have never bought a truck before) and he acted as if I was a total "donkey" from the get - go. I felt "stupid truck driver" before he even said Hello. If it takes saving up to buy it cash I am able to do that too so NO institution gets my money... the fact is, the owner of the truck I drive now is in the process of losing it. The company I work for is FABULOUS and I am sure they will help me out if thats what needs to be done... but i wanted to do all of this NOW - help?:eek:
 

fastman_1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Get used to it, commercial vehicles are hard to finance,I found a credit union to be much more easy to work with,
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
How many people can fincnace cargo vans, sprinters, and straight trucks just to be misled by all of the companies that are out there, and after a few months of driving have to file bankruptcy and lose everything? It is only a matter of time before the lending institutions pick up on that fact that expediters don't always have the ability to pay back their loans and stop lending money out to people who are going to work for companies that are driver mills.

This is a good but also a bad thing. It is good in the fact that it will thin the herd more, but bad in the fact that you will need to have the financial ability to buy a truck cash, which will inevitably lead to more fleet owners and less traditional O/O's. I myself would never be able to get another loan, not at least for 9 more years. If I went to apply for credit, an alarm would ring, and the cops would come out and cart me off to debtors prison. But, I own my truck out right and I won't have it any other way.

Any how, I hope you find a finance company that is willing to work with you, but i'd try and buy a truck for cash and not even have to worry about payments.
 
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stamp11127

Seasoned Expediter
Hey Blizzard be thankful you'll never get another loan. Save up your money and pay cash all of the time when possible - just like the old days. That is what we are doing, using a debit card right now. If I don't have the money then I don't buy it, period. Once they start charging for using the debit card then it will be entirely cash transactions and online bill pay.

Become a hermit so to speak and you will save tons of money. Make yourself truly justify every purchase - Do I really need to buy that? Watch your money grow and then buy the truck.
Every time you pass a bank give them the "Your number one gesture" - with your middle finger.

Is this a sore spot for me, oh hell yea. Everyone of these financial institutions that are in trouble knew better than to take the risks they took. They should pay the price for it and not be bailed out.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
I too have been fighting a similar battle since January. Have a contract waiting for me to be signed at a "Transport" company (different industry away from Expediting) that pays $1.70 - $1.80 a mile for outbund freight and decent backhaul opportunities back to where the outbound freight originates from. I only need a Class 4/5 truck for this type of work. Total investment I am seeking is $35-$40K to buy C/C and have custom built bed put on.

Very very solid background with my personal credit/financial portfolio as well as a solid background in the trucking industry. Credit score in the top 1% of American credit consumers (785-800), 12 verifiable years in the trucking industry with Tax records to support (1040's-Schedule C's-etc), and took out a total of $152,000 in loans from 2001-2008 for various trucks and equipment needed for various contracts over the years. All loans paid off in 1/2 the time loan contracts called for and all loans have 0 balance/paid as agreed reported on credit records.

My personal finances are just fine. House paid for, no mortgage. I have enough "Cash" in the bank to buy 4-5 of these trucks I need for this contract. Current house is about to be put on market and I am going to be purchasing another house for "Cash" hopefully this year, so I'm not going to even consider paying "Cash" for a truck right now.

Have been "Off The Road" since 2007 when diesel hit $3.50 a gallon. Worked locally up until last May (2009). Decided to "Take a Break" for a while. Was offered contract mentioned above in January. (been talking with them since last November) I thought I would have no problem getting truck purchased/financed with my background. That is not the case. Even with my stellar finance and trucking background/history, I cannot get financed anywhere for anything. My personal bank, where $54,000 of those loans mentioned above were financed through, said No "Current" Job, No Loan, despite the fact I have 6 figures in "Cash" sitting in their bank. Said their "Criteria" has changed and they have strict "guidelines" set forth from the Federal Reserve that they must follow for all loan applications. Stated that I did not meet "todays" criteria even with my "history" of loans with them. They suggested I take a "Home Equity Loan" to buy truck with. Huge argument ensued, and I'll have all my money (Cash-CD's-Retirement Accounts-Etc) out of that bank hopefully within 6 months. I've been with this bank for 13 years. My bank used to be a "local" bank, but was bought out by a "Larger" bank about 4 years ago. Things have changed there. Wish I could pull everything out today, but it'll take some time so I'm just "ATM'n it until I get away from them.

Submitted applications to 2-3 "Major" commercial financing sources (GE Capital - Sovereign Bank), turned down due to "No Recent Activity" in the trucking industry. (been off the road since 2007) Talked to one of their Loan Officers and asked who is actually getting financed today. He explained to me that basically "Individuals" in the trucking industry will not be looked at, period. Toooo many banks lost tooooo much money over the last 2-3 years due to the fuel increases and freight losses and that only major "Trucking Companys" with "Cash" reserves or "Collateral" (100 Clear Truck Titles as an Example) are even being considered for financing right now due to the "Strict" banking regulations the Obawa Administration put in place during the Bail Out offers.

So, forget about trying to obtain any or sort financing as an "Individual" right now. This just came to the forefront here in the last couple of days:

But Bernanke and other Fed leaders are fighting the attempt to strip them of authority over small banks. Increasingly, they're turning away from the quiet persuasion of lawmakers -- the Fed's typical approach -- and toward making their case openly and vigorously.

washingtonpost.com

Banks just cannot lend money to qualified "Individuals" right now due to being under the scrutiny and control of the Federal Reserve. And with Obawa passing legislation that is going to require huge huge huge Tax Increases (Health Care today, Cap & Trade tomorrow) to pay for his agenda's, this Administration is going to be in control of our monetary services for quite some time to come.

I know, soapbox post, but my opinion is that if you have other venues of "employment" right now that does not require an "Investment" of your own to bring in "wages" that are needed to survive, jump on them. (In other words, driving someone elses truck instead of buying one on your own). Hell, I'm probably backing off on getting back on the road for now. I have other "venues" I am considering that might keep me occupied until we have an Administration in our Government that supports the "Free Market" values that America was built upon. I refuse to fall victim to a "Socialist" agenda, of which we are heading down the path to, and am just going to ride out the storm for now even though I am currently a "Victim" as we speak. (not being able to obtain the earned and deserved credit I am due) because of "banking regulations" put in place by this Socialist Administration.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Yea its a "soapbox" post, but it is turthful and a very good post...but, don't give up, money is available...MB commerical is lending with cash down, as are a few other commerical lenders. My SIL just got a new MB Sprinter 2 weeks ago....I don't know what knid of truck you are looking at, but keep at it, you will get there....
 

Laurdess

Seasoned Expediter
ok well, here is step x step on what I did today just in case some of you are as clueless on how to do this. I went to Chase (my personal bank) The told me it was not a regular auto loan it would be a business loan. I was pointed in the direction to get a LLC and then a DBA, While doing both of these write out a business plan? I have documented the pay scale and loads since I hired in with Bolt.. I am assuming this will be good enough if I doctor the form up as a "plan" We all know this is a profitable biz..
I dont think it has ANYTHING to do with credit score. I think its finding someone will to take a risk on you? At any rate I left Chase feeling hopeful that I will be a truck owner. I am not sure what sopbox posting means.. B*tch sessions? If so I suppose I just dont knwo what I am doing and there are PLENTY of you that own your own trucks.. so tell me how you did it. So far its not as easy as I thought it was going to be. :confused:
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
What kind of truck are you trying to buy? Your biggest problem is buying with no truck ownership experience track record. Credit has become tougher to obtain but not impossible. As I mentioned in another thread and you found out, a written business plan may be good for you to track your own progress but is worthless to most financial places. Your best bet is to pay cash for a less expensive ride along with adequate reserves. 10k should be sufficient for that.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Why an LLC?

And then a DBA?

Do you know the difference?

Don't be fooled into the corporate shell game.

Do you have an accountant and a lawyer to review the advice the bank gave you?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Only need a DBA if he is buying it another name other than himself. A LLC is not a requirement for a commercial loan.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I would also be very leery of Chase (or any mega-bank for that matter) as a lender. Maybe do a little research as to their reputation and how they treat their customers, especially if they happen to hit some rough sledding. Local banks and credit unions are usually far more reasonable to deal with.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
I would also be very leery of Chase (or any mega-bank for that matter) as a lender. Maybe do a little research as to their reputation and how they treat their customers, especially if they happen to hit some rough sledding. Local banks and credit unions are usually far more reasonable to deal with.

I'd also like to add a little warning to anyone who is looking to obtain financing for a truck in their "personal" name and then putting that truck to use in "business" purposes.

Had a long talk with a rep from https://www.commercialfleetfinancing.com/ who said he's had a lot of potential customers come to him for help these last few months. Said a lot of these "Independent O/O's" who have for years financed trucks in their "personal" names (IE- probably 90% of the Cargo Van drivers out there) have been getting loans from places like Capital One, Wells Fargo, Chase, and even their personal banks, who have been having their "Loan Agreements" cancelled and demanding payment in full when these finance souces learned that their "collateral" was being used in a "Commercial Capacity".

For all the years I was in trucking, all my "Loans" were in my "personal" name. One of my trucks was financed through Wells Fargo. It was a $28K loan for a $38K truck back in 2004. I had it insured under a personal ins policy with a "Delivery" addendum attached to it and the company I leased that truck on with had an "unladen bobtail" ins policy attached to it that was sent to the lienholder (Wells Fargo) also. After learning of what I was informed about above, personal loan agreements stating no business use, I pulled out my loan agreement contract from Wells Fargo for that 2004 truck mentioned above and read the thing thoroughly. Sure enough, in one of the clauses, it stated "collateral was not to be used in a business enviroment". (Something to that matter, it was all legal mumbo jumbo, but I understood what it said)

So, I'm just offering some advice and a slight warning. If anyone does happen to get financed for a truck (CV or ST) in your personal name and not under your DBA, or other business entity, that doesn't require a "commercial" type of insurance policy, then be very careful putting that truck to use in a "business" enviroment. Your lienholder will find out today when that insurance policy is sent to them. Especially when you guys buy that "unladen bobtail policy" most of these carriers require you to buy to lease on with them.

I guess under these new "Banking Regulations" that are in play today, loan providers are scrutinizing every little detail. What one could get away with 2-3 years ago is being regulated very carefully today, even if that customer is a "Dream" customer. (One who pays on time, never late, pays more than required as I always did, and so on)

The rep I spoke with above said right now that Capital One is the worst. Capital One is loaning money left and right and he is averaging 2-3 customers a month who need help getting their trucks refinanced after Capital One called their loans "payable in full immediately" after learning that their collateral was being placed in commercial use. I was offered guaranteed financing for a 2008 Dodge Ram 4500 C/C through Capital One. The truck stickered out at $43K, was given a price of $29K and Capital One would finance it with my credit score being the main criteria to get financed. I almost jumped on it immediately but called CFF above for advice first. Glad I did, know what I mean.
 

Deville

Not a Member
I'm no stranger to the trucking business. I used to lease trucks from Protrux & All Island Truck sales for a few years. When my partnership was disloved & I ventured out on my own I had a difficult time getting a loan for an expedite truck. I wound uo using the Fairville company, & I had to have a co-signer. Everything was done over the phone & fax which made things much easier. As difficult things were I paid the truck off on time.

Fairville made me incorperate my business, I was just going to be a sole perpritor. Looking back, that move was the best thing I could have done. Now I have 6 years of corperate tax returns & a Dunns number. I have a history to fall back on. My Truck has been paid for now just about 4 years now & if I decide to buy or lease another one I can use it as collertal.

I think if I do buy another truck I will go with Penske. It just seems easier to go though a company that specializes in truck sales.
 
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