Trump on Gadhafi death: ‘Big deal. What do we get out of it?’
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Al-Qaeda needed their own country to make it easier to spread their horrors. Obama just helped to provide it for them.
SPOT ON! We will likely have troops in there soon. Most likely early next year, if not sooner.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Like Bush? Are you comparing Lybia to Iraq?
I believe he means more along the lines of not planning for the "second phase" of an operation. In that respect the operations in Libya are very much like what happened in Iraq. The NEXT phase is the "filling of the power vacuum". The REAL war will start now.
We had NO business taking part in that operation. It is going to cost us dearly. As will Uganda.
paullud
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Yes I am. The reason I say that is the many similarities, 1 both were run by evil dictators, 2 they both killed and tortured their own people, 3 both countries are associated with terrorism, 4 both have different factions of Muslims, and 5 we never should've gotten involved in either. I think we need to stay in Iraq until it is secure since we already have to many that made the sacrifice there, it seems like it is personal responsibility to me now that we broke it. I am concerned we are going to have to do the same in Libya since we were the main reason the government was toppled.
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paullud
Veteran Expediter
How do you see it? Are you concerned we just took to big of a risk in starting a civil war?
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There are differences too. There was not even a pretense of a threat to the US in Libya. This was about securing the oil fields. This was done for the benefit of mainly France and Italy, and Europe in general to a lesser degree. NATO (the US military) have become the operational force for European policy. We need to remove ourselves from NATO.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Halleluiah!!!!!!! we agree on something. Although, that was the major reason for us to be involved. Oh, and to rid the world of an evil corrupt dictator.
If you agree with me I have to rethink everything!!
Gee, did we NOT rid the world of an "Evil Corrupt Dictator" in Iraq as well? THAT evil dictator liked to use "mustard and nerve" gasses on unarmed civilians. Gunned them down by the hundreds of thousands as well. Not to mention his "rape squads" etc.
greg334
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I don't think we will have troops in Libya, because we didn't send them to Egypt. BUT with that said, we already floated a loan to Libya as of yesterday which makes no d*mn sense at all, they are richer than some of our states and I think outside of the interruption of oil to Europe, this internal civil war was nothing more than a money grab.
Maybe we need to charge Italy, France and the UN for that matter for our work and dump NATO. It may be time we get out of the rent a troop business and worry about real issues here at home.
Maybe we need to charge Italy, France and the UN for that matter for our work and dump NATO. It may be time we get out of the rent a troop business and worry about real issues here at home.
I heard Lindsey Graham on the news two nights ago talking about the '"need" to send "advisors" and "support troops" to help "train" the forces of the "New Libyan Government"
witness23
Veteran Expediter
I was more or less looking at the fact that Iraq cost us over 4400 American live at a cost of nearly a trillion dollars.
Civil War? The Lybian people were already engaged in a civil war and the region was becoming more and more destablilized, that's why we got involved in the first place. Like layout mentioned, France, Italy and Europe requested our help. Remember when most, if not all, of the GOP members were lambasting our President for "leading from behind"?
greg334
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Do you trust him?
It was a HUGH mistake to us US resources in Libya. This action had NO US interests what so ever. We should have left them fight their war. We NEED to get out of NATO, but that would take LEADERSHIP in Washington of which we have NONE.
Besides, I believe Obama really LOVES having control over an international army, funded and staffed mainly the the US, to do his bidding.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
You are contradicting yourself here layout. You say the above about Lybia and Uganda, then you say this about Iraq
If you believe we should've gone into Iraq for the reasons you posted above, then you surely wouldn't disagree with Lybia or Uganda.
Some major differences in the two. These are very simplistic
1. Most importantly, we did not have the backing of the U.N. to go into Iraq. Do not get me wrong, I'm not saying that we needed it, but it is a major difference between the two.
2. France, Italy, Europe and the U.N. sanctioned our involvement in Lybia.
3. We didn't put any boots on the ground in Lybia. 9 years occupying Iraq.
4. Lybia = 1 billion dollars, Iraq = over 4400 American lives and 1 trillion dollars.
You are contradicting yourself here layout. You say the above about Lybia and Uganda, then you say this about Iraq
If you believe we should've gone into Iraq for the reasons you posted above, then you surely wouldn't disagree with Lybia or Uganda.
Some major differences in the two. These are very simplistic
1. Most importantly, we did not have the backing of the U.N. to go into Iraq. Do not get me wrong, I'm not saying that we needed it, but it is a major difference between the two.
2. France, Italy, Europe and the U.N. sanctioned our involvement in Lybia.
3. We didn't put any boots on the ground in Lybia. 9 years occupying Iraq.
4. Lybia = 1 billion dollars, Iraq = over 4400 American lives and 1 trillion dollars.
No, I am NOT contradicting my self. I believe that going into Iraq, knowing the history and having worked that target, was in the interest of the US. You will NOT agree, so there is no point in pushing the argument.
As I said, this is JUST starting. 4400 is going to be considering a VERY small number before this is over. Things are going to get FAR worse before they get better. It is not likely that it will get as bad as WWII but may reach the levels we saw in Vietnam.