Trucker gets $305 ticket for smoking in his rig

OntarioVanMan

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Ontario law considers interior of truck to be an `enclosed workplace'

Alan Black The Canadian Press

The burning question about precisely where a person can smoke these days is flaring up again in Ontario, where a 48-year-old trucker faces a $305 fine for lighting up on the job: while driving his big rig along Canada's busiest highway.

The man, who hails from London, Ont., was headed for Windsor when he was pulled over Wednesday along Highway 401 and given a ticket under the Smoke-Free Ontario Act.

The law, considered a Canadian standard-setter when it was passed in 2006, forbids smoking in all workplaces and enclosed public spaces, including buildings, structures or vehicles worked in or frequented by employees, according to the government's website.

"Examples of an enclosed workplace include the inside of a trailer office on a construction site, the inside of a loading dock, or the inside of a delivery truck," the site says.

Ontario Provincial Police Const. Shawna Coulter said the law is very explicit about what constitutes a workplace.

"It says the inside of any place, building, structure or vehicle that is part of the employee's workplace, which if you're driving a truck for long periods of time – that becomes your workplace."

The driver, whose name was not released, could have good reason to fight the ticket in court, said Doug Switzer, vice-president of the Ontario Trucking Association.

The provincial law ought not to apply in the case of federally regulated trucking companies that operate in other provinces or the United States, Switzer said – nor should it be brought to bear on truckers who own and operate their own rigs and work alone.

"It is a little complicated on the enforcement end because you've got thousands of people from OPP, municipal police forces and health unit enforcement staff, not all of whom are versed in the subtle nuances of the trucking industry or the smoking legislation," he said.

Julie Rosenberg, a spokeswoman for Ontario's Ministry of Health Promotion, refused to comment Thursday on whether or not the law would apply in the case of a truck belonging to a federally regulated company.
 

LDB

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It won't be popular with the smokers but when driving down the road with the windows open or the vent system open to the outside one can tell every time a smoker in the vehicle ahead exhales. It is amazing how strong and how offensive it is. It is worst when parked at a truckstop and wanting to open the windows and ceiling fans. There's a legitimate argument for both sides of this one.
 

flattop40

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First off, some very important info was missing in my opinion. Does driver own the truck? Team or solo? Local or longhaul?

I have never smoked in my life (did try it when I was 16 and couldn't stand it) but I am going to take the side of the smoker on this one for the most part. However, if he is a team and the co-driver is a non-smoker and they are long haul then they have to have some kind of an agreement. One of my stipulations when my daughter(a smoker) came aboard with me was she could smoke in the van only when we are moving. If stopped she has to be out of the van. Also if you have the window cracked and only 1 window cracked its really not bad.

But I digress, if the truck has a sleeper and a solo driver could it not then be said that he is in his home and not his workplace? I spend alot more time here in the van than I do at home. If there is noone else in the truck what difference does it make? I understand that if he is a driver the owner might have some issues but if it meant keeping your drivers happy I think it would be benificial to let them smoke. If the next driver is a non-smoker just take the truck to be detailed on the inside.

Either way I guess I don't like the government telling me what I can and can't do when it doesn't directly affect someone else.
 

layoutshooter

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First, the government has NO right to dictate what a private citizen does on private property. Second, the OWNER of a truck DOES have the right to dictate if an EMPLOYEE can or cannot smoke in his privately owned truck. Third, if an individuall owns that truck it is his/her right to kill themselfs if they choose to. At least, that is how a truely FREE sociaty works.
 

layoutshooter

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That is why I said TRUELY free, not LEFT wing free. There is a HUGE difference. That is one of the MANY reasons that I do NOT live in California. Way too many "fruits and nuts" running that place. Things like that can ONLY happen if the PEOPLE allow them to do it to them. They only have to say NO!!
 

letzrockexpress

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First, the government has NO right to dictate what a private citizen does on private property. Second, the OWNER of a truck DOES have the right to dictate if an EMPLOYEE can or cannot smoke in his privately owned truck. Third, if an individuall owns that truck it is his/her right to kill themselfs if they choose to. At least, that is how a truely FREE sociaty works.


OK, write this date down. I agree with everything you said, in this post anyway. My personal opinion is that smoking is the second most disgusting habit that exists. Having said that, It is up to an individual if they want to destroy their body with it...
 

layoutshooter

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OK, write this date down. I agree with everything you said, in this post anyway. My personal opinion is that smoking is the second most disgusting habit that exists. Having said that, It is up to an individual if they want to destroy their body with it...


LOL!!! In reality you and I would most likely agree on far more than you think we do, the problem is that you just don't know me. You would be surprised if you ever met me in person. What is the FIRST most disgusting habit?
 

LDB

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I think you have them reversed. As long as you don't look and are more than about 3 feet away the chewer isn't going to poison you and ruin your personal space with stink which they have no right to do.
 

layoutshooter

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It is a close one two and most likely could go either way. I thank God everyday that I have never been adicted to anything! That must really suck. Don't know if I buy into the disease theroy but I cannot imagine living for "something"
 

Crazynuff

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First, the government has NO right to dictate what a private citizen does on private property. Second, the OWNER of a truck DOES have the right to dictate if an EMPLOYEE can or cannot smoke in his privately owned truck. Third, if an individuall owns that truck it is his/her right to kill themselfs if they choose to. At least, that is how a truely FREE sociaty works.

Have to disagree here . With your line of thinking a person could ignore laws regarding possession of guns , drugs and so on on his private property .
But to the case in point . Note the driver was from London headed for Windsor , staying within Ontario's borders . I happened to be in Toronto today and heard an official give the following info on the radio . The law only applies to Ontario companies working inside Ontario . It does not apply to trucks based outside Ontario or to single truck O/O's
 

layoutshooter

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Have to disagree here . With your line of thinking a person could ignore laws regarding possession of guns , drugs and so on on his private property .
But to the case in point . Note the driver was from London headed for Windsor , staying within Ontario's borders . I happened to be in Toronto today and heard an official give the following info on the radio . The law only applies to Ontario companies working inside Ontario . It does not apply to trucks based outside Ontario or to single truck O/O's


I don't understand, you AGREE with the government regulating those things? The Federal government has NO legal authority to regulate guns or drugs for that matter. At least, NOT in the Constitution. I own MANY guns, I have a RIGHT to own them under the 2nd Amendment. The government is Canada is just as intrusive as ours. Like I stated, this could NOT happen in a FREE sociaty.
 

Turtle

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Have to disagree here . With your line of thinking a person could ignore laws regarding possession of guns , drugs and so on on his private property .
Yes, exactly.The right to be left alone, at least insofar as government intrusion, is a pretty valued right by most people.

The Fourth Amendment explicitly affirms the "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures."

The Fifth Amendment in its Self-Incrimination Clause enables the citizen to create a zone of privacy which government may not force him to surrender to his detriment.

The Ninth Amendment provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Otherwise, we'd have silly laws that make it illegal to get a hummer from your wife in your own bedroom or to smoke a cigarette in your own living room.

Oh, wait, we've got those laws. OK, so where does it end? Thought crimes? Oh, yeah, we got those, too.

Dаmn, that slope's slippery.
 

LDB

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Personally I believe one has just about any right they can think of in/on their own property until that right crosses the boundaries of their space into my/anyone's space. At that point they no longer have the right to whatever it is since it's encroaching on others. Guns in one's home, as long as they are not fired in a manner that causes a projectile to leave the home and enter other's space, are inviolate. Fluid dynamics significantly limits where smoking should be approved.
 

layoutshooter

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To be fair, this IS a Canadian law, NOT, U.S. , YET!! We are headed in the same direction. We are losing freedoms faster than anyone can imagine. Of course, it is EASY for those who wish to rule us take those freedoms. SO many are willing to GIVE them away!! Those that DIED to give us those freedoms and to protect them must be rolling over in their graves. Those who would give up freedom and impose rule on the rest should flat out BE ASHAMED!!
 
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