Truck Stop Blimps

moose

Veteran Expediter
this is for John Elliot to read ,as he makes his way into the Phoenix lions den .
may you be the voice of the American trucker ,in facing the almighty big corporations shippers representatives.

one of the big pushes by the ATA ,is to take the most safety oriented experience truckers off the road ,in the name of safety obviously ,to make room for inexperienced low paid drivers,so the ATA can pass along the 'savings' to it's costumers .

We ,that makes a living driving next to those large rigs ,will be many times over ,more safe out here ,if we drive next to an experience high paid driver .

the ATA is lobbying hard in WA DC ,to pass fitness regulations ,aiming of taking experienced safe drivers off the road.
they will use words like BMI ,sleep apnea ,neck size ,epidemic ,obese , ext.

when the fact is ,that many of those truckers ,have came to it as a direct result of decades of living off the roads .
funny thing is ,that after a few million millage driven ,those trucker become the safes on the road . they all posses unmatched safety records ,and we should all be blessed shearing the roads with them .

many of them are also very business oriented ,and providing for large family's .
donot allow to take them to the unemployment line,as that's where they will probably ends .

what the ATA will never tell ,is that there is not even one study ... one true index ... one research ... to show that those truckers are more likely to be involved in an accident .
the true reality ,is that they are well aware of the surroundings and limitations , and do what it takes to keep us all safe.

don't get sunblind ,the ATA is after limiting it's competition , not safety .
America moved by trucks ,most of which are small business owners . do not let them fool you .
stand up for safety .
thanks.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Science, proof etc are NOT needed. It is all about getting lower wage drivers in the seats. Safety of the motoring public or the trucking public is NOT an issue. ONLY the bottom line.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The majority of places trucking firms are located they have no need to go through all the things you write about. A private business for the most part can fire anyone at anytime for any reason unless it has to do with discrimination as defined by our laws. If they really wanted to replace experienced drivers with lower wage newbies they could start tomorrow. Nothing is stopping them.
 

teamjdw

Expert Expediter
If you have a bad CSA score you will probably lose your job,if you can't pass a DOT exam you will lose your job,nothing more ,nothing less.Facts are facts,rumors are rumors.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
The majority of places trucking firms are located they have no need to go through all the things you write about. A private business for the most part can fire anyone at anytime for any reason unless it has to do with discrimination as defined by our laws. If they really wanted to replace experienced drivers with lower wage newbies they could start tomorrow. Nothing is stopping them.

I have already talked to a Law Office in regards to this BMI hog wash. If any company or Company Dr trys to say that my BMI makes me a unsafe driver. We plan to take them to court. Someone has to take a stand. My BP is 109 over 59 and my doctor told me I have great Stats and he wish he had them.
 
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iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If you have a bad CSA score you will probably lose your job,if you can't pass a DOT exam you will lose your job,nothing more ,nothing less.Facts are facts,rumors are rumors.


They are filliing Up the Trash Can. Soon it will need taken out.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
If you have a bad CSA score you will probably lose your job,if you can't pass a DOT exam you will lose your job,nothing more ,nothing less.Facts are facts,rumors are rumors.

Next they will say if you smoke you are unsafe to drive. The people that pass this hog wash should have to go by the same rules for there job. Look at the lady that hit Glen and Janice Rice.
 

AutonomyRex

Seasoned Expediter
I don't think the older drivers have much too worry about...Have you seen the waist lines on the younger guys and gals these days, and the prescription drugs they have to take just to cope. Plus, trucking is hard work.....:rolleyes:
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
This all came from when the FMCSA's Medical Review Board, not the FMCSA itself, but their Medical Review Board, made a formal recommendation to the FMCSA to have drivers with a BMI of 30 or great be tested for sleep apnea. A BMI of 30 or more will not, in and of itself prevent you from driving. But sleep apnea could. The Medical Review Board carries no rulemaking power or authority, and FMCSA and DOT officials have not set any timetable for consideration of any regulation related to apnea.

It's just a recommendation, just like most other recommendations that come out of the government, it's something to keep you visible and justify your job.

But it interesting that somehow in all the the sleep apnea part got lost and everyone is focusing on the BMI index. There are carriers, PRIME is one of them, who restrict drivers to a BMI index of 39 or lower. If you're a 40, can't work for PRIME. Can't drive for PAM if your BMI is 35. Yet that has nothing to do with sleep apnea. At most, overweight is an indicator that someone might have sleep apnea, but it's far from a sure bet. That's why the recommendation was for those over 30 to be tested. But most just skip the sleep apnea part and deal only with the BMI.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If you have a bad CSA score you will probably lose your job,if you can't pass a DOT exam you will lose your job,nothing more ,nothing less.Facts are facts,rumors are rumors.

That would make sense IF a DOT exam was based on some kind of medical FACTS. The NEW ideas, neck size, BMI , apnea etc are NOT proven by ANY recognized medical testing standards. No peer reviewed studies, no unbaised (if that is possible) experiments. Just special interest groups running congress and the government agencies.

If you can't PROVE it, you should not regulate by it.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If you have a bad CSA score you will probably lose your job,if you can't pass a DOT exam you will lose your job,nothing more ,nothing less.Facts are facts,rumors are rumors.

That would make sense IF a DOT exam was based on some kind of medical FACTS. The NEW ideas, neck size, BMI , apnea etc are NOT proven by ANY recognized medical testing standards. No peer reviewed studies, no unbaised (if that is possible) experiments. Just special interest groups running congress and the government agencies.

If you can't PROVE it, you should not regulate by it.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
The majority of places trucking firms are located they have no need to go through all the things you write about. A private business for the most part can fire anyone at anytime for any reason unless it has to do with discrimination as defined by our laws. If they really wanted to replace experienced drivers with lower wage newbies they could start tomorrow. Nothing is stopping them.
Not entirely true. If your condition is covered by the ADA and you have already shown that your condition doesn't prevent you from doing your job, they might have trouble getting rid of you. There was this carrier, Interstate, iirc, that had a real fat guy as a driver, and they wanted to get rid of him. So they switched him from his assigned truck into a smaller truck, and he couldn't fit behind the wheel of the new one. He was told if he could fit behind the wheel, he couldn't drive and would have to quit. He sued, because it was obvious they switched him just so they could get rid of him. He sued and a court agreed; the man had already demonstrated he could do his job, and they were ordered to give him his job back. That wasn't a state level thing, that was the federal ADA.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Not entirely true. If your condition is covered by the ADA and you have already shown that your condition doesn't prevent you from doing your job, they might have trouble getting rid of you. There was this carrier, Interstate, iirc, that had a real fat guy as a driver, and they wanted to get rid of him. So they switched him from his assigned truck into a smaller truck, and he couldn't fit behind the wheel of the new one. He was told if he could fit behind the wheel, he couldn't drive and would have to quit. He sued, because it was obvious they switched him just so they could get rid of him. He sued and a court agreed; the man had already demonstrated he could do his job, and they were ordered to give him his job back. That wasn't a state level thing, that was the federal ADA.

Can you cite that case? Post a link? Every thing that I have read (not official) said that ADA does not apply to trucking. Like hearing loss etc. I would like to know more.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The ADA unfortunately does apply to everything except the military and the FAA regulations.

It applies to trucking and how the FMCSA has gotten around it is simply to have the doctor become the responsible party for a waiver. Once a doctor says you are fit to drive, he is pretty much the guy who is responsible.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The ADA unfortunately does apply to everything except the military and the FAA regulations.

It applies to trucking and how the FMCSA has gotten around it is simply to have the doctor become the responsible party for a waiver. Once a doctor says you are fit to drive, he is pretty much the guy who is responsible.

What happens when I finally go deaf? (still a few years down the road but it is coming) Why is it unfortunate that the ADA does apply? Many ex-military who lost legs or arms can drive a truck. There is AT LEAST one military guy (army) missing a natural leg that is now BACK in combat!!
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Tinitus and deafness CAUSED by military and or government service is NOT either. The sorry no good for nuthin sons of bean pickers!! They use you up and toss you in the junk heap. I wonder what they would do to industry on the same issue? Bet they would be all over them like white on snow, black on iron, flies on road kill etc. :mad:

I get to waste a day, Nov 11, getting an outside hearing consult for the VA. I already know the outcome. Gotta go through the hoops.

In the mean time, some goober who speaks little or NO Standard American English can drive all day long.


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