Toronto couple defend move to keep baby's sex secret

[EnglishLady]

BBC News

A Toronto couple are defending their decision to keep their infant's sex a secret in order to allow the child to develop his or her own gender identity.

Kathy Witterick and David Stocker have been widely criticised for imposing their ideology on four-month-old Storm.

The family were the subject of a recent profile in the Toronto Star newspaper.

In an e-mail, Ms Witterick wrote that the idea that "the whole world must know what is between the baby's legs is unhealthy, unsafe, and voyeuristic".

Ms Witterick, 38, and Mr Stocker, 39, have also been criticised for the manner in which they are raising their two sons Jazz, five, and Kio, two.

The boys are encouraged to choose their own clothing and hairstyles - even if that means wearing girls' clothes - and to challenge gender norms. Jazz wears his hair in long braids, and the boys are "almost exclusively assumed to be girls," Mr Stocker told the Toronto Star.

The child's grandparents do not know Storm's sex, the Toronto Star reported, and have grown weary of explaining the situation, but are supportive.

In an e-mail to the Associated Press news agency, Ms Witterick, a stay-at-home mother, said a four-month-old infant was still learning to recognise him or herself, and said it was inappropriate to impose a gender identity on the child.

 

[jaminjim]

Canadians, what else would you expect.

 

[scottm4211]

Canadians, what else would you expect.

They're originally from Chicago.

 

[paullud]

Hopefully the kids are taken away before to much damage is done. They are setting these kids up to have all sorts of emotional issues and to be tormented by their peers at school. These people are so self involved that they think everyone in the world just has to know if it is a boy or girl, but it does not make a difference to us but it has a big impact on the child. Why do so many parents feel they should use their kids as lab rats to change the world?

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[scottm4211]

If they really wanted to keep this a secret a front page story in a newspaper probably wasn't a smart idea but just because they're choosing to raise their kids like this who cares? I don't see any laws being broken.

 

[EnglishLady]

I have to agree with Paullud. I think these children are going to have some real issues as they grow up

 

[Ragman]

Canadians, what else would you expect.

They're originally from Chicago.

Are Chicago-Canadians like South Dakata-Canadians?

 

[bobwg]

Are Chicago-Canadians like South Dakata-Canadians?

What are South Dakota Canadians like????

 

[Ragman]

What are South Dakota Canadians like????

Can we all say "OVM"

 

[BillChaffey]

For those of you who are seriously concerned for the children. Why not get together and give a gift certificate for a month in a Nudist colony.

 

[scottm4211]

I have to agree with Paullud. I think these children are going to have some real issues as they grow up

Do you think the government should remove children from their homes based on what might happen?

 

[greg334]

Do you think the government should remove children from their homes based on what might happen?

It happens more than you realize.

 

[scottm4211]

It happens more than you realize.

I'm sure it does. Scary.

 

[Jenny]

Well its like in California where they are teaching children gender nutrallity in schools so they can decide if they want to be a boy or a girl.

 

[EnglishLady]

Well its like in California where they are teaching children gender nutrallity in schools so they can decide if they want to be a boy or a girl.

Are they teaching that with parent permission?

 

[EnglishLady]

Do you think the government should remove children from their homes based on what might happen?

I really don't know Scott, I would hate to have to make that decision for real.

I think the parents need to be educated as to the possible damage they are causing to their children, and to the growing up issues that will be ahead of the children if the parents continue this course

 

[scottm4211]

I really don't know Scott, I would hate to have to make that decision for real.

I think the parents need to be educated as to the possible damage they are causing to their children, and to the growing up issues that will be ahead of the children if the parents continue this course

I see the kids of the god hates s group out there holding signs calling for the death of people. I don't see a huge outcry as to whether they should be raised like that. What do I know, I'm just a mind controlled Canadian

 

[AMonger]

There was a trend a few decades ago to alter a child's sex (appearance, as in plumbing, that is; one's actual sex is in one's chromosomes, something of which these pathetic, criminal wretches are apparently ignorant) from male to female if there was something drastically wrong with his penis. One poor child had a botched circumcision that left his penis permanently damaged; the doctor used cauterization as a method and tragedy ensued.

The child was just days old, and the doctors and parents figured he'd have so pretty miserable life as a boy and man, so the decision was made to alter the poor kid's plumbing and raise him as a girl. He'd never know, they figured.

Wrong. For the same reasons that little boys naturally gravitate to playing with toy trucks and little girls want dolls and an EZ Bake Oven, this was a no-go from the start. He was always masculine, no matter how frilly the dress his parents put on him.

He had a miserable life and later committed suicide. I don't remember the poor *******'s name, but there's a wikipedia article on him. Fortunately, after only a few of these atrocities, these procedures, which were promoted by radical leftist social scientists (big surprise, right?) were halted. Unfortunately, no one was ever prosecuted.

What do you want to bet that this family's home is a leftist house of horrors, with gender neutral everything, where the men shave their legs but the women don't, and every whacked-out leftist foolishness you can imagine, and some they've invented themselves?

Sex roles: the law of nature, not a pastry.

 

[LDB]

The parents are normalcy challenged although they won't see themselves accurately as fringe elements but will think they are brilliant and enlightened and the rest of society is lacking. "Educating" them to the damage they are likely causing the children will do nothing most likely. It is possible one of them isn't totally gone and in weakness is appeasing the other but probably they are too far gone to be helped.

 

[paullud]

I see the kids of the god hates s group out there holding signs calling for the death of people. I don't see a huge outcry as to whether they should be raised like that. What do I know, I'm just a mind controlled Canadian

Actually the topic of the scumbags from the Westboro church keeping their kids has been discussed, I wouldn't want kids to be raised in that situation but you are also dealing with 2 completely different situations. The scum from Westboro are a group of misguided idiots for the most part these parents are intentionally creating problems for their kids that many have killed themselves over.

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