Thoughts on this pay scheme.

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Responded to an add in the paper looking for expedite drivers (C&D units).

Now I haven't got all the details yet but, the brief outline I got was that I would be paid 50% of the NET. I'm assuming they mean profit. The fleet owner pays for everything and then splits the remainder with me.

Like I said, I don't have all the details yet (although I do know the carrier, and they are a known name)

Curious as to what everyone thinks.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Never assume anything as you know what they say about that. Until you have all the details there really isn't anything to comment on since it would all be speculation.

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RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Based on what you said I would stay away from this deal, you should get a minimum 50% of the gross not the net.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
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Fleet Owner
Have to agree. 50 percent of what? 50 percent of zero is still zero.
Need quite a bit more information.



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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
50% after fuel? After tolls? Repairs? Truck washes and oil changes? Truck payments? Mortgage? Child support? Coke habit?

Run! Run for the hills!

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It sounded fishy to me and the initial details were sketchy.

I'm going to go through the motions but stop short of committing and see what the deal is and report my findings here. It might turn out to be OK but I highly doubt it.

No harm in checking it out and if it is a scam, maybe someone else will read about it and not get drawn into something similar.
 

piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
So, after going through the motions here is what it turned out to be, this is how it was presented to me....I have not added any opinion.

The carrier asked me to come in for an interview, during which they presented the following,

Last 6 months avg paid to a similar truck (C unit), worked out to be $10,326. Best month was 14k, worst was 7k. The example was presented as a "real good runner" and when you looked at his trips he had 9 days with no loads.

Of that $10,326 the carrier deducted the following,
$560 for insurance, 115 for Qualcomm, 100 holdback, 50 for a required item (I can't say what as it would identify the carrier) and 3098 for fuel (you buy your fuel from this carrier).

This leaves $6403. The fuel number is 30% of the gross, the actual deduction was not shown, the recruiter said 30% was average.

In all of this the following items have not been accounted for,
Plates, likely around 100 a month.
Maintenance, given a 8000 mile month (my assumption, it was not disclosed) at 6 cents (my experience) that's $480.

Now we are down to $5823.

Haven't paid any IFTA tax yet (although ON does charge a lot of tax at the pump).

Let's say thats it, now you'll recall the owner wants 50 % or $2912.

Leaves me $2912 out of which I must pay income tax, US health insurance, cell phone (required by carrier) and any other personal on road expense (food, showers, air card maybe?).

In all of this, nothing went "wrong", freight claim, accident or ugly deadhead miles, blown tire etc and freight stayed strong.

Some other notes, the carrier does not pay 100% FSC to the truck and adjusts the rate monthly based on the EIA price on the first Monday of the month, this would not have taken in the price swing in the last 2 weeks. I know there is some risk with FSC never being 100% able to cover a big swing.

Based on this, I walked away. The slow season is coming and I have to believe that the 7 K months would be the norm for a while (the example's last month was 7 k) and at that rate the owner wouldn't be able to make his truck payment (trucks are 3 months old).

The owner is not a trucker or someone who's been in the industry and has a full time job that takes him away, so if something goes big goes wrong do I spend his money? Will he be OK with what I do or will I be "deducted". Don't know as there is no written agreement.

A few side notes, the owner bought his trucks (3) from a "buy a truck and we'll get you a career/business" kind of places. That explains the trucks being 3 mos old, tried it and it didn't pan out. While he seemed like a nice guy, he did not seem to have enough trucking smarts for me to pin my income to.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Don't mind my odd questions.

Did you sign a non-disclosure?

Because you avoid naming the carrier for some reason.

When you were given the average, didn't you ask for the miles?

You know I could also make $10K average over 6 months but I could also drive 12000 miles doing that or $ .83 a mile

US health Insurance?
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Good call!

Best bet is to stay away from "hobby" owners. I ran for one and could rarely get hold of him. It cost us both! My nephew runs for one. And tho things are working out, the owner insists on getting advice from others who have no idea what expediting equipment is. And my nephew and his girlfriend, who are his best team, continues to school newbs and be the ones to pull his arse out of the fire. (who would split up their best team to keep another truck from being empty for two weeks?)

That aside, you used your gut and knowledge, and both told you the same thing. Gotta love experience! :)

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piper1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
To answer your Q's Greg,

I didn't sign a non disclosure agreement, I just don't think it's right to slander them or disclose a private meeting. It's not important anyway...if a newbie like myself reads the post, the message is the deal stunk. I didn't want anyone to fixate on who the carrier is, maybe another carrier might be selling the same tune. It also invites fair comment. No one can respond with a personal grudge if the carrier isn't named.

As a Canadian you are not covered worth a hoot if you get hurt in the US, so you need to buy coverage or run the risk. Given all the dangers involved in trucking, I don't want to bankrupt myself if I get hurt. It doesn't take much for a big hospital bill.

I asked for the miles, but the recruiter said that was a separate report he had to run. I took that as "I don't want to show you". From what was whizzing by on the screen it looked to avg 1.30 a mile including the FSC, but I can't say that for sure.

I hate to think what I could have gotten myself into if I had not had the info that is on this site!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Thanks for the clarification.

Isn't this a hobby? I mean we have people taking vacations all over the place.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I heard someone once talking of a similar deal. Fuel was taken out off the top and the rest of the pay was split 50/50. It was a husband and wife team, and they were new to te industry. I told them it did't sound like a good deal to me. I thought they could be making more money on a 60/40 split paying for the fuel and getting all the fsc. Then the woman procced to explain to me how drivers in expedite got paid 40% none of the fsc and still paid for the fuel. I tried telling her that was incorrect, but she was sold on what her owner was telling her. All the while her husband was just shaking his head. Then he told his wife I've been telling you were getting screwed. Then she went to telling him how they had the best deal in the industry. I always figured you shouldn't argue with people who are in denial.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
piper1 said.."As a Canadian you are not covered worth a hoot if you get hurt in the US"

Try CAA out of country insurance...we had it about 100-150 a year and covers Emergency treatment and accidents and repatriation.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thats what they call it to get your body home should you die outside Canada...They cover up to 5,000 dollars of the cost.
 

drivingmecrazy

Seasoned Expediter
Pay scheme is right! We had a similar experience, wish I would have found this website first! Lesson learned never do buisness with out a contract! We were told one thing regarding our split, but the rules changed as it went along. When we decided to drive for other owners, we gave plenty of notice- but as soon as old owners got there truck back- they found defects in the truck, and there whole attitude changed towards us. But I do believe in Karma, and we should have some good stuff coming our way. But hey we were brand new out of school- it was a good learning experience! Costly, but good. Thanks to this site, and just talking with other teams out there on the road- you can learn alot if you listen!
 

N8IWS484

Seasoned Expediter
Here is what I was told by Expedite Solutions about the pay. It's a 60/40 split, we pay for fuel and get some of the fuel surcharge back, at fuel being so out of control, this doesn't sound like there isn't much money to be made. Add insurance, taxes, living expenses, etc then I have to split that with my teammate, who has to do the same thing also. At Swift, I sat alot, got short runs, not paid for extra work as promised. I could have made more money at a burger joint or washing dishes somewhere, so I left. And turned in a truck in better shape than issued to me, filthy and destroyed, and wondered why I was taking pictures of everything before I signed any papers! I ended up repairing everything myself during downtimes waiting for my next run so I was comfortable living on the road.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
we pay for fuel and get some of the fuel surcharge back

You get some of the fsc back? In what remote galaxy and in what way can they justify stealing money from the person buying the fuel? Whichever side pays for the fuel should get ALL the fsc, not part of it. I would love to hear someone explain how an owner is justified in keeping any part of the fsc if he/she is not paying any part of the fuel.
 
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