This can't be right

[AMonger]

NM cop tases 10-year-old for not cleaning the patrol car? This can't be right. If this is right, there can be no argument for the continued existence of police in this country. If cops aren't prohibited from carrying tasers and this cop isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every police agency must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded.
From http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/10/30/51809.htm

Cop Tasers Little Boy
SANTA FE, N.M. (CN) - A New Mexico policeman Tasered a 10-year-old child on a playground because the boy refused to clean his patrol car, the boy claims in court. Guardian ad litem Rachel Higgins sued the New Mexico Department of Public Safety and Motor Transportation Police Officer Chris Webb on behalf of the child, in Santa Fe County Court. Higgins claims Webb used his Taser on the boy, R.D., during a May 4 "career day" visit to Tularosa New Mexico Intermediate School. "Defendant Webb asked the boy, R.D., in a group of boys, who would like to clean his patrol unit," the complaint states. "A number of boys said that they would. R.D., joking, said that he did not want to clean the patrol unit. "Defendant Webb responded by pointing his Taser at R.D. and saying, 'Let me show you what happens to people who do not listen to the police.'" Webb then shot "two barbs into R.D.'s chest," the complaint states. "Both barbs penetrated the boy's shirt, causing the device to deliver 50,000 volts into the boy's body. "Defendant Webb pulled the barbs out [of] the boy's chest, causing scarring where the barbs had entered the boy's skin that look like cigarette burns on the boy's chest. "The boy, who weighed less than 100 lbs., blacked out. "Instead of calling emergency medical personnel, Officer Webb pulled out the barbs and took the boy to the school principal's office," the complaint states. Higgins says the Tasing gave the boy post-traumatic stress syndrome, and that "The boy, R.D., has woken up in the middle of the night holding his chest, afraid he is never going to wake up again." She adds: "No reasonable officer confronting a situation where the need for force is at its lowest, on a playground with elementary age children, would have deployed the Taser in so reckless a manner as to cause physical and psychological injury." She seeks punitive damages for the boy for battery, failure to render emergency medical care, excessive force, unreasonable seizure, and negligent hiring, training, supervision and retention. Higgins and R.D. are represented by the Kennedy Law Firm, of Albuquerque.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

You know that didn't happen that way. I heard the boy pointed a neon green nerf gun at the officer, who thought it was real.

 

[cranis]

Taser him than fire him. This is 1 reason that make kids afraid of Police and authority.
If I was this kids parents I would ask to be the one to tase him

 

[LDB]

NM cop tases 10-year-old for not cleaning the patrol car? This can't be right. If this is right, there can be no argument for the continued existence of police in this country. If cops aren't prohibited from carrying tasers and this cop isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every police agency must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded.

I admit to using the "readers digest" method quite often as most things aren't strong enough to hold my attention through their entirety. That would be the reason I may have missed an explanation for your hatred of law enforcement somewhere along the line. In any event, your conclusion above is so far over the edge it is out of sight. Obviously that particular officer, if guilty of what he's accused of, does not belong in uniform.

By your own standards set above you need to get out of your vehicle and never expedite again, as do I and every other expediter, because the multitude of us who are good have been poisoned by the few who break all the rules on hours, weight, routing and then pee on other people's tires. Guilty. All of us. Condemn us all for what the few have done just the same as condemning all the excellent people in law enforcement for what the few bad ones have done.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I admit to using the "readers digest" method quite often as most things aren't strong enough to hold my attention through their entirety. That would be the reason I may have missed an explanation for your hatred of law enforcement somewhere along the line. In any event, your conclusion above is so far over the edge it is out of sight. Obviously that particular officer, if guilty of what he's accused of, does not belong in uniform.

By your own standards set above you need to get out of your vehicle and never expedite again, as do I and every other expediter, because the multitude of us who are good have been poisoned by the few who break all the rules on hours, weight, routing and then pee on other people's tires. Guilty. All of us. Condemn us all for what the few have done just the same as condemning all the excellent people in law enforcement for what the few bad ones have done.

I don't see how expediters have in them the ability to totally f up your day, all in the name of "keeping the peace". While not all of them do it, I can certainly understand where the stereotype comes from... just like for truckers. But how you can compare someone tazing a 10 yr old to someone bleeding his lizard on tires... just astounding.

It appears to me that the psych evaluation at the police academies are sorely outdated. Either that, or police need what politicians do... term limits; so as to prevent the man from becoming corrupt. I would say the times have changed drastically, and police are more and more incapable from keeping a clear mind from one situation to the next. I could see it as turning their brains to mush. It would mine. Society has gotten horridly chaotic, as of late. I don't have a solution to how police should react to that, but snapping on a 5th grader isn't how ya do it.

 

[AMonger]

It appears to me that the psych evaluation at the police academies are sorely outdated. Either that, or police need what politicians do... term limits; so as to prevent the man from becoming corrupt.

No, it's that police departments intentionally recruit and train psychopaths, and cashier the ones who won't conform.
What we need is every police chief position being am elected position, like county sheriffs, and a retention election every two years, worth all cops who have complaints against them in that term being subject to a recall vote. Being recalled = no pension.

 

[AMonger]

You know that didn't happen that way. I heard the boy pointed a neon green nerf gun at the officer, who thought it was real.

Is like to think it didn't. But the Nerf gun wasn't in any of the stories. I suspect you're thinking of a different incident.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Is like to think it didn't. But the Nerf gun wasn't in any of the stories. I suspect you're thinking of a different incident.

No, I'm being sarcastic. Only a cop would see a neon green nerf gun as being a dangerous weapon.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

No, it's that police departments intentionally recruit and train psychopaths, and cashier the ones who won't conform.
What we need is every police chief position being am elected position, like county sheriffs, and a retention election every two years, worth all cops who have complaints against them in that term being subject to a recall vote. Being recalled = no pension.

What's the difference, tho? Politicians are corrupt, and they choose our police chiefs. People elect politicians. Therefore, we are stupid, or constantly duped, and couldn't select a good person if we had to.

 

[AMonger]

No, I'm being sarcastic. Only a cop would see a neon green nerf gun as being a dangerous weapon.

Ah, got ya, and it was even worse, being they're wasn't a gun-like object of any kind.

 

[Turtle]

I don't see how expediters have in them the ability to totally f up your day, all in the name of "keeping the peace". While not all of them do it, I can certainly understand where the stereotype comes from... just like for truckers. But how you can compare someone tazing a 10 yr old to someone bleeding his lizard on tires... just astounding.

You can't compare peeing on tires to Tasering somebody, at least in impact and severity, but the analogy is spot on. It's simply a matter of scale. Stereotypes, while usually based in truth somewhere, can be real problematic when applied to a group as a whole.

"If cops aren't prohibited from carrying tasers and this cop isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every police agency must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded."

On a matter of scale...

"If expediters aren't prohibited from peeing on other people's tires, this expediter isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every expedite carrier must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded."

There's not much of a difference, really, when you think about it. Only matters of scale. The same rules, nonetheless, must still apply across the board.

It appears to me that the psych evaluation at the police academies are sorely outdated.

I'll agree with that. It's far too easy to become a police officer these days.

 

[AMonger]

"If cops aren't prohibited from carrying tasers and this cop isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every police agency must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded."

On a matter of scale...

"If expediters aren't prohibited from peeing on other people's tires, this expediter isn't imprisoned as a result of this, every expedite carrier must be declared an enemy of the people and disbanded."

There's not much of a difference, really, when you think about it. Only matters of scale. The same rules, nonetheless, must still apply across the board.

1) Expediters aren't public employees;
2) Peeing on someone's tires isn't a crime of violence;
3) There's no constitutional protection against having one's tires peed on, while there is against involuntary servitude;
4) The incidents of expediters peeing on someone's tires, while occurring occasionally, cannot be said to be common, unlike police brutality, misuse of tasers, and excessive force.
Cops are out of control. At the very least, they must be disarmed immediately, at least until safeguards are put in place that reverse their militarization and weed out all the psychopaths, and we'd still be safer without law enforcement of any kind than we are today.

And it also takes far too long to fire a bad cop, and criminal prosecution is all too rare.

 

[Turtle]

I can tell you for certain that I witness expediters peeing on tires or in public far more often that I witness a cop using a taser or excessive force. Not even close.

 

[AMonger]

I can tell you for certain that I witness expediters peeing on tires or in public far more often that I witness a cop using a taser or excessive force. Not even close.

Yes, than you witness excessive force. But on a daily basis, police brutality or the routine, systemic violation of people's rights occurs exponentially more often.
And no, not even close.

 

[LDB]

Only a liberal leftist would see a neon green nerf gun as being a dangerous weapon.

Fixed it for you.

 

[cheri1122]

A headline that repeats the allegations of a lawsuit as fact is the most irresponsible and sensationalistic type of 'journalism', and the people who accept it at face value are equally irresponsible.
Most outlets simply repeat the original story, but one later version adds a few details: that the cop said the Taser went off accidentally [I can believe that - one deputy recently shot himself accidentally] and he was disciplined with 3 days off unpaid for the incident.
Whether the punishment fit the crime is another story, but it looks like another lawsuit seeking a lifetime of payment for one person's misjudgement [pulling the Taser in the first place.]

 

[LDB]

The point was not that peeing on a tire and tasering someone are equivalent. The point was that you don't condemn an entire category of people based on the bad action of a few percent of the population. Anyone who seriously and genuinely does so needs to get counseling to overcome whatever has caused such irrationality.

 

[bobwg]

Yes, than you witness excessive force. But on a daily basis, police brutality or the routine, systemic violation of people's rights occurs exponentially more often.
And no, not even close.

Just wondering if you have proof? numbers? documemtation??? by the way peeing is not against the law but exposing your self in public is

 

[BigCat]

It says he asked a group of kids who wanted to clean the car, so there were other kids around. How did they say it happened? Accident or intent?

 

[Turtle]

Yes, than you witness excessive force. But on a daily basis, police brutality or the routine, systemic violation of people's rights occurs exponentially more often.
And no, not even close.

"Exponentially" is an interesting choice of words. In order to you that word and have your statement retain any validity or be taken seriously, then you must know the specific numbers. What are they? How many times per day, on the average, are there verifiable instances of violation of rights? And how many times per day, on the average, do expediters pee on tires or in public?