The Trump Card...

[coalminer]

Dear Anti-vaxers,
Wearing seatbelt while operating a motor vehicle is mandatory. Do you wear one? I thought so. What happened to personal freedoms?

And you are more likely to be killed in an accident because you wore your seatbelt than you would from have a deadly reaction to a vaccine.

They keep saying 5000 people died from the vaccine, which has been disproven but even if there was 5000 the death rate is still ridiculously low.

Just think of all the people who have allergies and can’t get the shot ( I know someone who is in that group) and all of the people who have compromised immune systems. That is unless you are thinking of them and are doing what you can to make sure it circulates and kills off the weak?


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[danthewolf00]

Yeaaaaa no thankfully this is America and not China....we have the right to choose.....you want to take away my right to choose.....guess the constitution and bill of rights mean nothing to you Democrats.

 

[Turtle]

Perfect analogy, thank you very much.

It's really not. You give up a large chunk of your personal freedoms when you drive a motor vehicle on a public road in public.

Plus, the next time you operate a motor vehicle you have the choice of not wearing one. You might get in trouble for not wearing one, but that's your choice.

What if you get forceably vaccinated, and the next time you go out you want to go unvaccinated? Whoops, not even an option.

What is this, {all together, please} Nazi Germany?!?

A wacka wacka

 

[Turtle]

Do keep in mind that whenever you hear someone got the vaccine and died, uhm, 8000 people die every day. Some have had the vaccine, some haven't.

 

[Ragman]

It's really not. You give up a large chunk of your personal freedoms when you drive a motor vehicle on a public road in public.

Plus, the next time you operate a motor vehicle you have the choice of not wearing one. You might get in trouble for not wearing one, but that's your choice.

What if you get forceably vaccinated, and the next time you go out you want to go unvaccinated? Whoops, not even an option.

What is this, {all together, please} Nazi Germany?!?

A wacka wacka

 

[Ragman]

McConnell urges Americans: 'Get vaccinated' or risk shutdown

“If there is anybody out there willing to listen: Get vaccinated,” Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[danthewolf00]

 

[Turtle]

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Not that it matters, but no one knew what to do during the beginning of the pandemic, and no one really knows now. The same way people erroneously complain that Trump didn't handle the pandemic correctly yet can't give any examples of what he should have done differently that would have made any difference, the above governors and countless world leaders simply made decisions they thought were the right ones. I don't think anyone sent people to nursing homes because they knew they would die. Bad mistakes and decisions should largely be forgiven, since if anyone knows how to control a pandemic, it wouldn't become a pandemic.

Granted, some of those governors' words and actions since then are problematic, but the decisions themselves, hey mostly guessing.

 

[RLENT]

Not that it matters, but no one knew what to do during the beginning of the pandemic, and no one really knows now. The same way people erroneously complain that Trump didn't handle the pandemic correctly yet can't give any examples of what he should have done differently that would have made any difference ...

He should have shut down all travel from China which he did not do.

 

[danthewolf00]

He should have shut down all travel from China which he did not do.

Yes trump did shut travel from China but your Democrat leadership said he was racist for doing so.

 

[RLENT]

Yes trump did shut travel from China but your Democrat leadership said he was racist for doing so.

No, he didn't.

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump Suspend All Travel From China?

#peskyfacts

 

[danthewolf00]

Yes he did in fact stop all travel the last flights were directed to a military base in Alaska for 2 weeks and only had Americans on said flights.

 

[danthewolf00]

And biden let's illegal aliens come into the country at 100k plus a month......but he cares about the American people.

Yea right.

 

[RLENT]

Yes he did in fact stop all travel ...

Not. Fast. Enough.

However, Trump’s travel restrictions were not all-inclusive, and went into effect on February 2, after 45 countries had already imposed their own restrictions, according to the outlet’s reporting.

It was so porous that 40,000 people slipped through the cracks.

And, as a consequence, over 625,000 people have died.

Trump’s restrictions also allowed travel from China to the States for more than five months after their announcement, and more than 8.000 Chinese and foreign nationals still entered the country after the sanctions the Associated Press described as “porous” were imposed.

In the first months of the limited restrictions, at least 27,000 Americans also flew to the United States from China, the outlet also noted.

The facts do not care about peoples' fee-fees ...

 

[Turtle]

He should have shut down all travel from China which he did not do.

Okay, if he did that, would it have made a difference in the pandemic? Based on the experiences of other countries the answer would be no, it had minimal impact, if any on the pandemic.

Also, the only travel from China he did not shut down was the travel he couldn't legally shut down. The travel ban (or travel "restrictions," if you want to split semantical hairs) prohibited "non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who had traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S." Those exceptions could not legally be barred from returning to the US. Even if he did prevent them from entering the US, it wouldn't have made any difference in controlling or managing the pandemic. But even the ones who did return from china, if they came from Hubei Province they were subjected to mandatory 14-day quarantine. I delivered to Travis AFB where people were being quarantined. That was fun.

Trump claimed shutting down travel from China saved a lot of lives. Fauci claimed it dramatically reduced the number of cases (at the time he said it) that we were having to deal with in the moment. I suppose it's possible that it saved lives and reduced the number of infections, but even now there's no evidence of either. The day he shut down travel the virus was already reported in 25 countries, and it was already spreading here. So if he had shut down all travel from everywhere, even a week earlier, including US citizens and the other exceptions, it wouldn't have made any difference.

 

[muttly]

Not. Fast. Enough.



It was so porous that 40,000 people slipped through the cracks.

And, as a consequence, over 625,000 people have died.



The facts do not care about peoples' fee-fees ...

Fauci was against it anyway. Trump was supposed to listen to his health advisors right?

 

[Turtle]

Not. Fast. Enough.

Worst. Argument. Ever.

I don't care what it is, anything that gets done could have been done sooner. If we knew then what we know now, travel would have been stopped two or three months earlier. But at the time nobody KNEW, not even you, what to do or when to do it.

Even when it was done, the WHO said travel restrictions (from the US and the other 22 countries who had restrictions in place) were premature and too restrictive saying it wasn't in line with their International Health Regulations. They said, "Where such measures have been implemented, we urge that they are short in duration, proportionate to the public health risks, and are reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves." And that's exactly what Trump did.

was so porous that 40,000 people slipped through the cracks.

And, as a consequence, over 625,000 people have died.

OK, those 40,000 people didn't slip through (like the 40, 000 who slip through the southern border every week). They came in through customs and then quarantine.

In addition, there is zero evidence, and I mean zero, for cause and effect that those 40,000 caused 625,000 people to die.

 

[danthewolf00]

See no matter what they are going to blame trump after the fact.....the mask didn't help either because you needed a powered air unit with a n95 filter to be truly safe....

 

[muttly]

No longer have to wear mask where I work unless not vaccinated since yesterday. Many still wearing the cloth mask even some I know that were vaccinated.
Also, just heard on the radio in New York that only 60 percent of health care professionals are vaccinated. Surprised by the low number.

 

[Ragman]

No longer have to wear mask where I work unless not vaccinated since yesterday. Many still wearing the cloth mask even some I know that were vaccinated.

No mask necessary here at the Pile of Rags. Of course there is only 1 on staff. Lol.

Also, just heard on the radio in New York that only 60 percent of health care professionals are vaccinated. Surprised by the low number.

Me too.