The Real Newt Gingrich

RLENT

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An older short video (30 minutes or so), recently updated, on who exactly the real Newt Gingrich is, from John F. McManus and the good folks over at the John Birch Society :rolleyes:

He ain't who ya probably think he is ;):

The Real Newt Gingrich
 

RLENT

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Yep.......I guess if Newt's the candidate I'll have to vote for Obama....:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Well, considering the fact that the time at which your comment posted would indicate that you didn't even bother to look at the video, I'd say there's no telling who you might for .... :rolleyes:
 

dieseldiva

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Well, considering the fact that the time at which your comment posted would indicate that you didn't even bother to look at the video, I'd say there's no telling who you might for .... :rolleyes:

Oh I looked, and filed it away for "later". My point was the same as I said before, I don't care if it's the neighbor's dog, or mine, running against Obama....I'll vote for them.

You seem too eager to jump in with some others to take try and take down anyone that isn't Romney, except your choice is Ron Paul. Last week it was Cain, who's next?? It gets old, that's all.
 

RLENT

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Oh I looked, and filed it away for "later".
Uh-huh .... :rolleyes:

My point was the same as I said before, I don't care if it's the neighbor's dog, or mine, running against Obama....I'll vote for them.
Really ?

It seemed to me that your point was to dismiss out-of-hand any criticism of the Lizard ... and to deflect the attention away from examination of who Newt really is ....

Your premise above seems to be predicated on the idea that anyone is better than Obama ....

While I am no fan of the man, and feel that he is a threat to our nation (although I'm not willing to engage in absolute hysteria about it), I'm not so sure that your premise is a necessarily a foregone conclusion ...

You seem too eager to jump in with some others to take try and take down anyone that isn't Romney, except your choice is Ron Paul.
And you seem all too eager to divert the conversation of the thread into something other than what it was originally about:

Who is Newt Gingrich really ?

That, of course, is known as being off-topic ....

Last week it was Cain, who's next??
Right now it's Gingrich .... after that, it really depends ..... :confused:

.... I'm sure everyone will get their turn ... :rolleyes:

It gets old, that's all.
Well, no one is forcing you to read it.

BTW - Welcome to the political season .... :D
 

dieseldiva

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Yeah, I guess I have not much humor on the subject tonight and a big part of that is knowing that all of this mud slinging has just begun. :(
 

aristotle

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The real Newt is a baby-faced cherub who sponsors soup kitchens in Africa and anonymously plays Santa Claus at the mall every December. The real Newt as a child saved his allowance to buy flowers for a pauper's grave. The real Newt eschews toilet paper to show he is one with the Green movement. The real Newt is on God's short list.
 

cheri1122

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Newt? Mitt?
I just can't make myself consider a candidate seriously when I can't even say their name without laughing.....

 

RLENT

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Yeah, I guess I have not much humor on the subject tonight and a big part of that is knowing that all of this mud slinging has just begun. :(
Yup - it is a somewhat unfortunate consequence of politics.

Personally, I would really rather see an honest, candid, reasoned, in-depth discussion of candidates philosophies - as you seemed to suggest in your thread about the Trump debate - that is designed to actually raise the awareness of the public about the many substantive and serious issues that we, as a nation, face ...... rather than the Circus Maximus Americanus that some candidates, pundits, and the MSM seem inclined to want to give us .....

Nevertheless, IMO, the question of principles, character, and personal integrity certainly ought to be a valid aspects that deserve inquiry by the American public in respect to a candidate.

I haven't got a chance to watch the Huckabee event yet .... but I hope to be able to soon.

BTW, thanks for posting that thread .... and linking it :)
 

RLENT

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The real Newt is a baby-faced cherub who sponsors soup kitchens in Africa and anonymously plays Santa Claus at the mall every December. The real Newt as a child saved his allowance to buy flowers for a pauper's grave. The real Newt eschews toilet paper to show he is one with the Green movement.
Cute :D

The real Newt is on God's short list.
No doubt :rolleyes: ..... but for what ? :eek:

... perhaps before it's all over we'll get a chance to actually see ...

BTW - apparently so were Bachmann, Perry, and Cain ...... you may wish to take note of exactly how well that worked out .... :rolleyes:
 

greg334

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Just a little thing, as I was listening to the BBC this morning, they were asking the question to people in Iowa about Gingrich getting the nod from the republican caucus and it was rather surprising that most of the people asked were going to vote for Ron Paul because he is the only one speaking as they think - actual smaller government and cutting back on spending realistically.

The reporter tried to get them to talk about Gingrich but they didn't want to.
 

Pilgrim

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They were probably talking to a random group of participants at a Ron Paul rally.
 

RLENT

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Wonder who they were talking to? Might want to check this out from today.
Well I don't have time to dig it all up right now (busy, busy :D)

But if you really wanna understand things in depth it will take a little diggin' and actually reading a poll or two and not just superficial summary numbers - here's a couple of things you might wanna check out:

Q. What percentage of likely Repub voters are not firmly committed to a candidate and indicate they may very well change their minds ? (not sure if that exactly how they phrased it)

A. Over 60% - almost none of them Paul supporters - his support is rock-solid .... and growing ......

Q. Who's got the best ground game ?

A. Paul by far and away (that assessment comes from the establishment IA GOP - including the IA Gov, Branstad, who hasn't endorsed anyone and may not be in Paul's camp)

Q. Who has virtually no ground game ?

A. The Lizard

Other things:

Yesterday afternoon, Paul asked for a little donation bump ($1,000,000) before the December 10 money bomb to fund IA ads - he had it in less than 24 hours. All small donations of course.

The predications from the talking head pundit class are growing that Paul may take it all in IA - there's a reason for that.

Be afraid ..... very afraid :D
 

RLENT

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They were probably talking to a random group of participants at a Ron Paul rally.
Go ahead - nominate The Lizard ..... or one of the other neo-con warmongers ....

Dare ya :p

The stench and distaste from the Shrub and his criminal gang is still plenty fresh in plenty of peoples minds (you know: the ones in the middle you need to seal the deal)

You'll render the GOP to irrelevancy for the foreseeable future.

The only way the GOP has a prayer of getting the Whitehouse is if Paul is the candidate. Otherwise, you lose.
 
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davekc

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Just reporting what is out there. Not with any sway towards one or the other. If Paul's ground game is as good as you state, then he should be polling much higher.
Just a thought.
 

RLENT

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Just reporting what is out there. Not with any sway towards one or the other.
Understand - same here - except I am clearly in the Paul camp of course :D.

I read alot of stuff (re Paul) - both good and bad .... just reporting some of what I've run across.

If Paul's ground game is as good as you state, then he should be polling much higher. Just a thought.
Most of the polls are for (so-called) "likely Republican voters" ..... :rolleyes:

While Iowa has a closed primary, you can change your party registration on the day of the primary election ;)

Why Ron Paul Will Win Iowa

Paul Gathers Momentum, Has Sights Set on Gingrich

Why to like the odds for a Ron Paul upset
 
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Pilgrim

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Just reporting what is out there. Not with any sway towards one or the other. If Paul's ground game is as good as you state, then he should be polling much higher.
Just a thought.

What makes Iowa different is that it's a caucus, and the participants are dedicated supporters that are willing to get out on a wintry night to go listen to a bunch of boring speeches, eat rubber chicken and then cast their vote. Paul has these fanatics that will seemingly crawl through hot coals and over broken glass to vote for him. Obviously, their numbers are insignificant in the national primaries but could be enough to make him a spoiler as a third party candidate - which he hasn't ruled out. Maybe he and Obama are talking to each other on throw away cell phones.
 

aristotle

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1952-1960 Eisenhower
1968-1976 Nixon/Ford
1980-1992 Reagan/Bush
2000-2008 GW Bush

It appears the GOP wins the White House on a regular basis and can get along quite well without Ron Paul. His support isn't transferable to other candidates. So, GOP voters might view Paul as a skunk at the garden party. A serial sore loser who has made a career of whining. Thankfully, Ron Paul is weeks or months away from retiring.

Where do Libertarians go after Paul fades away? Do they have a farm team? A fallback position?
 

RLENT

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1952-1960 Eisenhower
1968-1976 Nixon/Ford
1980-1992 Reagan/Bush
2000-2008 GW Bush

It appears the GOP wins the White House on a regular basis and can get along quite well without Ron Paul.
You wanna bet that's the case at the present time .... or in 11 months ?

How firm are your convictions (mebbe I should say delusions :rolleyes:) that the majority of the electorate will share your revulsion and utter hatred of Obama ?

His support isn't transferable to other candidates.
Depends on the candidate .... certainly, none of the current bunch merit it.

So, GOP voters might view Paul as a skunk at the garden party.
Some might - perhaps those that prefer mindless goosestepping in a march to political oblivion ?

A serial sore loser who has made a career of whining.
That flys in the face of reality - as his repeated re-election to Congress over the last 40 years (?) clearly demonstrates.

Thankfully, Ron Paul is weeks or months away from retiring.
Oh .... I wouldn't want to bet on that .....

Where do Libertarians go after Paul fades away?
We stay right where we are - and continue the revolution, one individual, one mind, at a time.

You can attempt to stop it - by appealing to people to support corrupt candidates who are "nasty", immoral, lack character, and are serial hypocrites/adulterers.

Good luck with that - you'll need it.

Do they have a farm team? A fallback position?
Yeah, sure do - in fact, you helped elect one of them to the Senate.

If you wanna really consider the current, and likely future, reality, you might wanna have a look at party registration trends in the last ten years - the Republicans' are actually falling, the Democrats were rising (in 2008), then fell in 2010 (but so did the Republicans .... only more percentage-wise than the Dems :D) ..... undoubtedly due to the tainted brand.

(See if you can figure out exactly what tainted it)

The tainted brand BTW, which you are apparently working earnestly to further taint and damage beyond repair ..... by advocating that a corrupt, slimeball idiot like Gingrich be the nominee ..... while at the same time sliming an honest, ethical, decent, and very principled man ...... simply because you disagree with him politically in probably only one area (foreign policy)

Real bright move there Genius - I'm sure that will attract principled folks in droves.

You just go ahead and keep sticking your private parts into the woodchipper - be sure and let us all know whether it still hurts the same as the last time.

Anyways back to the subject at hand: Those that self-indentify/register as Minor Party, Independents, and simply un-affliated have grown. This is a trend that's been going on since the 1970's ...

All and all, it's a continued bloodletting for the GOP.

The only thing that has saved the GOP thus far is that they are right on some issues (but all the political rhetoric in the world can't overcome the fact of "no delivery") .... and have a better "get-out-the-vote" operation ... but at some point, if the trends continue, even that simply won't matter .....

G.O.P. Drops in Voting Rolls in Many States

Voter Registration Trends, May 2010

Any you wanna blow off conservative libertarians, and libertarian conservatives ....... and tell 'em to take a hike ?

...... you belong in the movies .... undoubtedly, Dr. Strangelove would be quite appropriate .... in a reprise of Slim Pickens' role .... Wheeeee ! :rolleyes:
 
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