The Police Now Have Drones, Too

Turtle

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"To be in on the ground floor of this is pretty exciting for us here in Montgomery County," Sheriff Tommy Gage said.

Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel said, "I'm tickled to death" about using the drone, pointing out that in his years of police work he could imagine countless incidents having ended more quickly and easily. "It's so simple in its design and the objectives, you just wonder why anyone would choose not to have it."

They're all just a little too giddy over this, if ya ask me.

The Montgomery County Sheriff's Office in suburban Houston, Texas is preparing to launch operations with a newly received $300,000 Shadowhawk MK-III unmanned aerial vehicle, a small helicopter, paid for by grant money received by the Department of Homeland Security. The MK-III is a product marketed for both military and law enforcement applications.

Michael Buscher, chief executive officer of manufacturer Vanguard Defense Industries (is committed to the successful development and deployment of Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) in support of the military, local, state and federal law enforcement as well as the private sector), said this is the first local law enforcement agency to buy one of his units. "The aircraft has the capability to have a number of different systems on board. Mostly, for law enforcement, we focus on what we call less lethal systems," he said, including Tazers that can send a jolt to a criminal on the ground or a gun that fires bean bags known as a 'stun baton.' "You have a stun baton where you can actually engage somebody at altitude with the aircraft. A stun baton would essentially disable a suspect," he said.

The MK-III also has more lethal options available, capable of carrying either a 40mm or 37mm grenade launcher or 12 gauge shotgun with laser designator. Awesome.

New Police Drone Near Houston Could Carry Weapons - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston

They tout all the wunnerful wunnerful things they can do with it, including helping out with wildfires, finding lost children, assessing a scene where the SWAT team is facing a shooter, and for "hunting criminals who are running from police".

In 2007 this same police department was busted by KPRC TV while testing drones which violated the privacy of citizens, performed warrantless searches, and was all set to begin writing speeding tickets by proxy. The mayor scrapped that program, but only because of the publicity the investigative report garnered.

"No matter what we do in law enforcement, somebody's going to question it, but we're going to do the right thing, and I can assure you of that," Sheriff Tommy Gage said. "We're not going to use it to be invading somebody's privacy. It'll be used for situations we have with criminals."

In other words, "Trust us. We're from the government and we're here to help." <snort>

Between the political disarray of Congress, the chain of administrations that spend exorbitant amounts of money on things the people don't really need, the disturbingly high percentage of police officers who are little more than petty thugs with a gun and a badge, TSA groping children and hassling little old ladies in airports and performing unwarranted, "random" searches on the street, the media hype/sensationalism which constantly keeps the dumb and ignorant majority of the public distracted, dumb and ignorant, the incredibly skewed distribution of wealth and the fact that banking, insurance, health care and the government are now all the same thing, and an overall government with a fractured model of democracy that has it's hands in way too many cookie jars, I can say with great confidence that we are plunging rapidly into the abyss of a police state.

People should not have to fear the peace keepers, law makers, or individuals who hold powerful, public offices, yet the people do fear them. People willingly comply to even ridiculous requests out of fear. Police are intimidating peaceful protesters in the hopes they will become violent. Everything happening now is a perfect recipe for chaos, the beginnings of a violent revolt, and I doubt anybody who matters will realize it until it's too late.
 
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cheri1122

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It's pretty hard to believe that "anyone who matters" could be unaware of the truth you just described [very nicely done, BTW], but I think the problem is their arrogant disbelief in any power that they can't crush with their superior technology & weapons. They KNOW that 'might makes right' - haven't they seen it proven many times over?
The 'Masters of the Universe' can't see themselves losing, and they aren't in the habit of negotiating to give up anything either, [though they might have to pretend for public consumption, as the Sheriff promises not to violate any laws with his new toys] so it's not looking terribly hopeful for the rest of us......Pretty scary, actually.
 

Turtle

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The last two paragraphs probably belong in a different thread. This started out to be nothing more than a little informational diddy about police forces obtaining and deploying drones, perhaps as an illustration of how the police are becoming more and more militarized to the point where only the patches on the uniforms will differentiate the two, and with a few snarky comments of my own thrown in for good measure. But as I was composing the piece, those last two paragraphs kept dominating my mind, since it's all related, and they kind of just spilled out onto the page.

The people "who matter" I'm talking about are those very peace keepers, law makers, or individuals who hold powerful, public offices. They have the power to stop it, but they can't see it, because they are blinded by and consumed by their own agendas, agendas which are individually benign and inert, and wholly acceptable, but when combined become volatile and explosive, and utterly unacceptable.

Drones are indeed an excellent tool for the police. The capabilities are awesome. They will make many aspects of police work easier and safer for them, and thus safer for the public at large. And if you look at police drones in that context, and only that context, it's a good thing. Red Light and surveillance cameras are also excellent tools for the police. They can catch criminals in the act, and can catch people who endanger others by running red lights. And if you look at cameras in that context, and only that context, it's a good thing. But, when you start looking at them in a larger context, combining them with other "advancements" in law enforcement, the changing general attitudes of the police towards the people they are charged with protecting, and the fact that they are the enforcement arm of those in power who have their own blinders on, and it becomes something very much other than a good thing.

We used to have private police, like the Pinkertons, who kept the peace and looked out for the interests of those who paid them. That changed with local police forces who really were there for the public. We now have those in power who like it there, and they tend to use the police in the same way that the kings or yore used the sheriff to keep and peace and look out for the king's interests. So we now have a system of police that is not different from the the past, where the public is looked as as something to protect those in power from.
 

layoutshooter

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Paying for "toys" like this and police salaries etc is how the Federal government is getting around the U.S. Constitution's restrictions on law enforcement. They now have "control" over may police departments in larger cites, even State Police/Highway patrols etc. Federal money comes with strings. Like, "you can have this "drone" for free". A week later you hear, "Start arresting people suspected of "federal gun crimes" etc.
 

layoutshooter

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"but I think the problem is their arrogant disbelief in any power that they can't crush with their superior technology & weapons. They KNOW that 'might makes right' - haven't they seen it proven many times over?"


Superior technology and weapons can be defeated by numbers. There are MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of us who WILL stand up and fight. They do NOT have any where near enough "toys" to defeat the largest standing army in the world, the ARMED American. That is the EXACT reason that the Obama's and Pelosi's of this world are SO gungho to outlaw our RIGHT to own and carry firearms. They KNOW that, when push comes to shove, they are toast. The "regulations" being "pushed" by BATFE that would outlaw 100% of all semi-automatic sporting shotgun sold in the U.S. is FAR more scary and dangerous than this drone is.
 

skyraider

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"but I think the problem is their arrogant disbelief in any power that they can't crush with their superior technology & weapons. They KNOW that 'might makes right' - haven't they seen it proven many times over?"


Superior technology and weapons can be defeated by numbers. There are MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of us who WILL stand up and fight. They do NOT have any where near enough "toys" to defeat the largest standing army in the world, the ARMED American. That is the EXACT reason that the Obama's and Pelosi's of this world are SO gungho to outlaw our RIGHT to own and carry firearms. They KNOW that, when push comes to shove, they are toast. The "regulations" being "pushed" by BATFE that would outlaw 100% of all semi-automatic sporting shotgun sold in the U.S. is FAR more scary and dangerous than this drone is.



Ok, mini copters peaking in ur window at a truckstop and in real time, lot lizards, ur neighborhhood, keep ur blinds down and curtains pulled, big brother is about to be ur peeping tom and just maybe no warrants needed, its just the police watching out for ur safety and private eyes may be using their own, and this will get dicey,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,im just guessing of course,.:eek:
 

layoutshooter

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Ok, mini copters peaking in ur window at a truckstop and in real time, lot lizards, ur neighborhhood, keep ur blinds down and curtains pulled, big brother is about to be ur peeping tom and just maybe no warrants needed, its just the police watching out for ur safety and private eyes may be using their own, and this will get dicey,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,im just guessing of course,.:eek:



Dicey it putting in mildly. We are going to end up fighting EXACTLY what you and I fought against so many year ago.
 
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