The Government of the USA

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
With the Election in the not to distance future Members in the Soapbox have been repeating the same thing in many different threads .....

"The G'ment should not be involved"​


My question's are (to further my education :p) ......



How can this be achieved?




Has it gone too far that there is no turning back?

:confused:
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
With the Election in the not to distance future Members in the Soapbox have been repeating the same thing in many different threads .....

"The G'ment should not be involved"​



My question's are (to further my education :p) ......



How can this be achieved?




Has it gone too far that there is no turning back?

:confused:

Wipe out every thing that has been done till now and Turn the clock back to 1769 and start over...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Wipe out every thing that has been done till now and Turn the clock back to 1769 and start over...

You don't have to go back that far. Just start weening people off the public teat. The States need to tell the feds to go "spit up a rope". The so called "old values" still work. One only has to look at North and South Dakota to see that. Where people, and states, take responsibility for themselves things are good. Where the people depend on government, things go down hill. Government is the main cause of all of our problems. Our "safety net" is a huge contributer to poverty. It is one of the greatest causes of it.

One election will not change it. It is going to take years to fix.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
With the Election in the not to distance

God help us EnglishLady, it 'seems' like not too distant (based on conversations), but it's not happening for a year and a half!!!

There is no way the government can stop being involved, since in many cases, it seems to be human nature to not take responsibility for oneself and do the right thing.. then the govt is left holding the bag to deal with it.. so that is how they deal with it.. at least that's how I'm seeing it (from a distance). Perhaps it sucks for those that DO take responsibility, but maybe many who think they're taking responsibility for themselves aren't even seeing the whole picture and don't even realize that they aren't.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You don't have to go back that far. Just start weening people off the public teat. The States need to tell the feds to go "spit up a rope". The so called "old values" still work. One only has to look at North and South Dakota to see that. Where people, and states, take responsibility for themselves things are good. Where the people depend on government, things go down hill. Government is the main cause of all of our problems. Our "safety net" is a huge contributer to poverty. It is one of the greatest causes of it.

One election will not change it. It is going to take years to fix.

My Sis in law would thank ya for that kudo...

She says it is a constant argument to keep social ways from creeping into our state government.....the eastern half is getting real weird...I29 corridor...the disease is spreading! Please keep it on your side of the Missouri river!:D
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't know anything about Canada. I do know that we can, and must, reign in our federal government here. If we do not require the feds to live within the bounds and restrictions of our Constitution our nation will cease to exist. We are headed down that road now. We have been for a very long time. What is at the end of that road is not something that is to be desired. Not by by FREE MEN at any rate. There is no kind of "social security" (not the program of that name) worth giving up any freedoms for. If MAN is not free he dies.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
I don't know anything about Canada. I do know that we can, and must, reign in our federal government here. If we do not require the feds to live within the bounds and restrictions of our Constitution our nation will cease to exist. We are headed down that road now. We have been for a very long time. What is at the end of that road is not something that is to be desired. Not by by FREE MEN at any rate. There is no kind of "social security" (not the program of that name) worth giving up any freedoms for. If MAN is not free he dies.



How do you see that being achieved?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
How do you see that being achieved?

It will be a long, drawn out process. We start, by voting out all socialist politicians. We need State politicians who are not afraid to fight the Federal government. We need to elect Federal politicians who represent the People of their district, not a political party.

We must take back control of our school districts. Funding and curriculum should be controlled by the people in that district, not the state government, the federal government or public employee unions.

We must start to teach self respect and self reliance. We must teach our kids that freedom is only achieved when you provide for your self and that government has, at best, a limited role in peoples lives.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Sue,
Yes it can change, the great thing with our country is the ability to make changes when needed. It isn't easy but there are things in the past which have changed that people said was impossible to do so.

For the record, I would recommend reading the constitution and the federalist papers. There are a few books on the people who founded the country that are good reads.

So how can we change things?

Let's start with a few things that need to be changed FIRST.

The first problem is how we view our government and our rights. We have the original system of governence setup to have the rights come from God to the people, from the people to the states and from the states to the federal government. As I said in a limited form in another post that this started with Lincoln's style of federalism and expanded since his death to the point that once we were supposed to have a that rights chain to be absolute to the form we have now. What we had in a form of dual federalism (meaning states and federal government being equal) is gone since Lincoln. The one person who actually started a lot of the modernization of our country towards socialism is Teddy Roosevelt. Maybe no other person can match the fundamental changes we were forced to deal with.

The second problem and it is related to the first is the idea that we need direct representation in both chambers of congress. The original system was setup so the senator represented the states, and the states were free to elect or choose their representative as they see fit. The reason for this is the attitude say Pennsylvania has is not the same as South Carolina and PA may choose to pick a very conservative business man (not politically conservative) while SC would pick a plantation owner to represent their needs. THIS all changed with the 17th amendment where we directly elected our senators and the state's representation went away with it, and it also vacated a lot of the 10th amendment and the checks the system had for the states.

The third thing is the federal government is not anyone's fault but our own. With the influx of immigrants in the last two centuries, we have been diluting a lot of our culture (it is a good thing by the way) and moving away from isolation. This has brought ideas to us from the rest of the world, one example I wrote about was the revolutions of the 1840s and how we were effected by them because those who came here were those who wanted change there. So we have to have a cultural change within the country and can have that if we want it - maybe having a really hard economic fall will provide us with that push.

All the other things people are talking about won't fix the problems but it will help later on.
 
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