The DNC has lost thier mind

[greg334]

It seems that the DNC is for Obama, they want to see him win the nomination and because of that, there is now a move to 'redo' the primaries in Michigan and Florida.

Hillary is saying that she will try to get the 'delegates' seated during the convention and I have to agree with her that it would not be in the best interest to play games with people's votes - especially the black vote in Michigan. But if they do have a 're-do', then there may be a Hillary victory.

But alas, out idiot of a governor, the same one who says we are in a crisis in the state and we need to raise taxes at the same time doing the a 'mayor young' with her buddies on contracts, seems to think that the state should do a 're-do' because it is the right thing to do - yea, right....

Too bad it was not going to happen April, when I was going to be home, would have bought lunch for everyone who would go with me and vote for Hillary - GO Hillary........

Oh one last thing, why is the Chicago Trib trashing Obama?

Is there, just maybe, just a slight chance we are seeing some backlash from the political machine in Chi-town for something that he has done to them?

You know that Chicago is a closed political city?

 

[Robsdad]

Chicago may think that Obama may close some of their Mexican sweat shops. I would hope so anyway. You are right Chicago is still mob run and will always be as long as there is another Daly around. Ol gal Hillary will keep them open. Anything for a vote that's the Clinton motto. Just think if Hillary gets elected we would have 24 years with only 2 families enjoying the white house. God lets hope not.

 

[arkjarhead]

Then we would be transferring our government from a democracy to a oligarcy which is a government ran by a few families that swap power every now and again. At least that's how my history professor defines oligarcy.

 

[greg334]

Then we would be transferring our government from a democracy to a oligarcy which is a government ran by a few families that swap power every now and again. At least that's how my history professor defines oligarcy.

But Ark, Democracies always lead to other things - they are prone to failures as a political system.

We are a republic, not a democracy and when we use that word, it cheapens our form of government.

Robsdad, you got it about 24 years, d*mn scary. I would think that there is more to the Chicago connection than the invaders and the shops, maybe more or less a Tammany/Tweed situation than anything else. One governor in jail, looks like another may be there soon and a whole bunch of other 'nice' things happening to politicians in the area. I only wish that they can put Grandholm in jail and let her rot there but that is another rant.

 

[arkjarhead]

I heard that when Ben Franklin left Contential Congress some people asked him what type of government they had given us. He said "We gave you a Republic if you can keep it". I don't believe we still have a Republic. Even Republics end. Look at the Roman Republic. We have a Transitional government imo. It is in the transition from Republic/Democracy to a Communist government.

This is not what I want, but I'm afraid this is what is going to happen. To many of these so called "programs" are doing nothing but implementing the commune lifestyle.

 

[Robsdad]

In my case it may be good to be getting old. I won't have to be around to see this great country go down the tube due to corporate greed and greedy politicians. I just hate it for my kid and grandchildren. They will have no choice but to live in the shi*.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Rob....maybe if you look for a silver lining..just maybe your children and grandchildren will be involved in helping build an even better America??? This one is far from perfect but what would a perfect country consist of? We are only just over 225 years old...only an infant compared to European countries....

 

[arkjarhead]

We are only just over 225 years old...only an infant compared to European countries....


But we have been free of the monarchs longer than most if not all of them.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

We are only just over 225 years old...only an infant compared to European countries....


But we have been free of the monarchs longer than most if not all of them.

am missing your point there Joe....
Alot of European countries still have monarchies in name only but most have an elected government...

 

[arkjarhead]

the point is since we were the first to have an elected government wouldn't it be odd if we were one of the first to go back the other way?

 

[greg334]

Ok, I only see 10 out of 48 European countries that are constitutional monarchies. Even though they are not in Europe, Canada is one – go figure.

I only see a few that has a form of stable government, and only a few that are really considering that the EU is destroying their sovereignty.

When you really take in account shifting borders, wars and revolutions, we are about equal to other countries in Europe. Like France, Germany, Poland, Russia, the Balkan states, Hungary, Czech republic. Countries that were part of empires didn’t exist at all and because of wars, like WW1, are really young countries. Other countries like Italy and Germany were never countries at all but loosely formed autonomist states until they were unified in the 19th century. France has had six different forms of government since we have been founded, does that give you a clue which path we must never go down.

Many use the line that we are a young country but compared to what is my question. We are in many regards the country that is copied because we are a stable country, one other being as stable as our, Switzerland. But they lack a lot of the freedoms we have.

OVM, build a better country?

We have one of the best foundations for a country already in place, what improvements can you see would be needed to build what type of government?

The only improvement I can see is to return to that foundation and use it as it was intended. Get rid of this horrible concept of being a democracy, get rid of this equally horrible concept of government education for the masses and get rid of this burden of taxes on our labor.

Ark,

We are not headed for Communism; we are headed for Socialism or a form of Fascism. I think that which ever we are going to end up, it will end in disaster because of the underpinnings of our culture is still a more of a let’s do it than let’s wait until government tells us to do it.



If you want to know what I mean by a can do attitude, study the Nurenburg trial, more specifically Goring's comments about why they put in place a totalitarian government. He opened the door for a social political thought that many in Europe were conditioned to taking an oath to a leader, like in a monarchy and having them provide a means for them to survive. His premise was the failure of the Wiemar republic was that letting the people decide on their own was a disaster and there was a need to return to a more useful form of government for the benefit of the people. We shed that idea and were one of the very few countries to ever do so. Canada still has some allegiance to the Windsors (or should I say Saxe-Coburg and Gotha?)




The good thing is I am seeing something of an attitude change in the younger people who are still in school, they are finally looking around and seeing where we are headed but too few see the need to change at this moment.

I got to tell you also something else.

I ran across an interview with Václav Klaus, the president of the Czech Republic. It was an amazing thing to read. In it he was asked two questions – what does he see as the problems that the US has and why do people want to be here. His response was along the lines that we as a country don’t look at the failures of other countries and learn from them but think that we can improve on them. We as a country are heading for socialism when most of Europe is trying to get away from it. Then he said that we are looked upon as the place where everyone can be free, where we have the opportunity to live and prosper without having to worry about freedom being taken away.

Now this sounds like a lot of people I worked with who wanted a better life, they didn’t want to social programs but wanted to choose to live the way they wanted to.

France, a country that many stupid people point to as a country that we have to emulate, is having serious problems with their health care and social programs. The taxes there are unbelievably high and they are having problems with growth and maintaining things. They are starting to pull back on things a bit to get a grip on things but recognize that they may end up reforming their government again in the near future to save it.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

greg said "OVM, build a better country?

We have one of the best foundations for a country already in place, what improvements can you see would be needed to build what type of government?

The only improvement I can see is to return to that foundation and use it as it was intended. Get rid of this horrible concept of being a democracy, get rid of this equally horrible concept of government education for the masses and get rid of this burden of taxes on our labor."


The term "build" was kind of generic...My intent was to infer we need to go back to the original building blocks that this country was founded...it's getting more confusing and screwed up all the time...

 

[greg334]

Whew... I thought you were one of those Obama supporters who say we must change things....Glad you clarified it.

By the way, what's your take on the UN telling us, the US that we have to follow their demands and not tear down public housing in New Orleans, even through is has rats, black mold and a bunch of other nice stuff?

You know HUD wants to build them mix housing for these people who are 'displaced' but the UN says it is not enough.

I say we need to pull out our tax money and put it to good use, pay off all the mortgages for everyone who thinks they need it.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Greg...Personally I'd like to see New Orleans plowed back into the Gulf...1, F4-F5 hurricane and all the technology won't help it...Open up the Mississippi river delta again and let the water flow as was intended before we started with all these levis and dams...mother nature WILL reclaim what is hers eventually. This would relieve alot of flooding problems upstream and save billions of dollars.

As far as the U.N. ...I'd have to say they are entitled to their opinion.
On your specific article: I think they are way out of touch with reality.

Greg I will say this as an EX outsider looking in....The U.S.A. is very hypocritical when it comes to the UN...As long as the UN rules or sides with the U.S, all is ok...BUT rule against the U.S and it's like.. "How dare they!"... "Lets get rid of them"
You can also see this attitude with WTO...Rule of thumb is USA is exempt from any rules any time.

On that note I also believe the U.N. has outlived it's usefulness...should be dissolved.

Greg said "Whew... I thought you were one of those Obama supporters who say we must change things....Glad you clarified it. "

Its all the changes up till now that got us into this mess...
I suppose the best change would be to change the changes?? Make sense?

 

[davekc]

What I find surprising, then again maybe not, is that their screw up will cost the taxpayers 15 million. I watched Meet the Press this morning and they said they would kick in the matching 15 million so every one in MI and FL can vote.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

so...why is the DNC doing this? To what end? and why would it cost taxpayer money?

 

[davekc]

They are doing it to have another election in MI and FL.
The DNC set rules and both states switch their primary dates in violation of the rules. The votes in those states don't count, but of course people want their voices heard.
A redo is roughly 30 mil. The DNC said it would entertain the idea of paying half.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

But the state Dems violated the rules...The National Party penalized them...commonsense would dictate that the party pays the total cost?

 

[greg334]

Why?
That is a good question...

I look at it this way, it floors me that people are so bent out of shape about voting and this is a non-binding, non-constitutional sanctioned vote called the primaries that means nothing but is a big waste of money. We are not electing anyone, the process, the consitutional process does not have even mention an election's election, so why do we really have it for two parties and not all of them?

If you look at how thing were done say 100 years ago, you may find that we never really cared that much about how the candidates were determined or that we say money being spent on figuring out who they were going to be.

I mean look at the amount of money that is raised and spent on just these non-binding, non-constitutional sanctioned 'elections'. We are tax payers, match their funds to make everything equal but we do not do that for every party because only two have primary 'elections'.

As for the UN, OVM, their purpose seems to be over with. I criticizes them because of what I saw, I understand from their staff what to expect. We are their bank, with over 22% of their budget being paid for by our tax dollars, we should see reforms and people going to jail for their crimes before we give them a dime. Japan pays less than we do, 19%. Did you know we are the only country to meet the 'obligation' to pay them? Not according to the press but find out by going to the UN. Also did you know that out of all the countries in the world, Japan and the US are the only ones who pay double digit percentages and we are the only ones who fund their special missions (which is not in the same budget as the UN operating budget)? We dumb billions into their coffers and get near zero in return. Like I said, we should see reforms, people in jail and a better system in place.

I liked the comments that Clooney made about Darfur and the realization many are just waking up to the fact that they, the UN has selectively slowed the process of relief and help to people who need them at the same time refusing to do anything about human trafficking in Mexico and china, killing children in India and human rights abuses in Middle East. Instead they pick out problems we have with housing and even demanding that we end discrimination which cuts right into rights of individuals and property rights.

 

[LDB]

Am I missing something or did those people not vote? Use the results they already have. Idiots. What can you expect from a group led by screaming Howard though.