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The death of common sense..

cheri1122

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Dreamer said:
OK, that happened long ago with the TSA...


That happened way before TSA - like the 'zero tolerance' policies in schools that got girls suspended for having Midol in their possession...:rolleyes:

But now a girl got pulled from a flight because of her camo purse with a plastic gun emblem... "it's a gun replica"...

The insanity just multiplies, and with TSA so often involved, I think I'll continue to use rental cars, myself. [And hope the terrorists don't decide to rent vehicles, thereby making rental agencies nuts, too.]
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The death of common sense: Now even a purse decorated with the small image of a gun can get you in trouble with the TSA
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Dreamer

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That happened way before TSA - like the 'zero tolerance' policies in schools that got girls suspended for having Midol in their possession...:rolleyes:


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Heh, I think that would be allowed under 'promoting a safe environment!


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AMonger

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Another death of common sense experience. Has the world gone mad?



Macy's fires Christian for protecting women's dressing rooms from cross-dresser

She endured expletives from transgender, then got fired for standing firm in her faith.

December 7, 2011
Macy's has fired a Christian woman for refusing to violate her religious beliefs. Her offense? She prevented a man dressed as a woman from entering the women's dressing room.

According to Liberty Counsel, Natalie Johnson says she saw the young man walk out of the women's fitting room and politely told him that he could not go back in because it was for women only. The cross-dressing young man claimed that he is a "female." Johnson said that he was wearing make-up and girl's clothing, but clearly he was a male. The cross-dresser was accompanied by five other individuals.

The group argued with expletives that Macy's is LGBT-friendly, to which Johnson replied that Macy's is also non-discriminatory toward religion, and that it would go against her religious beliefs to lie that he was a woman or compromise with homosexuality. The group then demanded to speak with a manager.

Johnson's boss referred her to Macy's LGBT policy which allows "transgender" people to change in any dressing room they want.

The manager demanded that she comply with the LGBT policies or lose her job. Johnson refused to go against her sincerely held religious beliefs and was terminated from her job.

Macy's has essentially opened women's dressing rooms to every man. The LGBT agenda has become the theater of the absurd.





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Dreamer

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greg334 said:
I would have fired her too.
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I dont' see that one.. I don't think that's even a religious thing.. if you allow men in the ladies area, any perv can come in and say "Oh I'm a woman" and go watch the ladies.

Dumb ruling.


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cheri1122

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I dont' see that one.. I don't think that's even a religious thing..

The sales clerk thought it was, though.

 if you allow men in the ladies area, any perv can come in and say "Oh I'm a woman" and go watch the ladies.

If you allow sales clerks to make determinations of the gender of Macy's customers, it could be very embarrassing [for all concerned] if the clerk is proven wrong. Could also be expensive, if a misidentified customer sues for the public humiliation, too. Have you never seen a person whose gender you just weren't quite sure about? Is a sales clerk the right person to decide?
I can empathize here, because to some ignorant people, I don't 'look' like a truck driver, either. When a security guard at a Petro told me I couldn't go into the drivers' area, I was pretty unhappy at the assumption that I'm not a driver. I pulled out my Class A CDL to prove him wrong - what would the customer be required to show?!:eek:
BTW, the 'perv' wouldn't see much, [speaking from personal experience of ladies' dressing rooms], as each 'room' is a private space with a door. Anyone who gets their jollies by scoping out women's feet under the partition is a perv to be pitied, IMO.
Dumb ruling.

IMO, what's dumb is a clerk who expects their religious beliefs to be imposed on others. If it was such a strongly held conviction, the clerk should have clarified store policies before accepting a job that would require her to violate her beliefs, rather than announce it after the fact, wouldn't you agree? I seriously doubt Macy's hadn't made their policies known to employees before it happened.

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LisaLouHoo

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Not to get off topic too far here, but since the topic of TG is on the table, ya gotta see this. I was at Meijer in Davison, MI yesterday when this crossed my path: a preop trannie. I couldn't get a face pic without being obvious. The person is about 6'2", had bad makeup, five o'clock shadow, and judging by the voice and acne, is in the midst of female hormone treatment. Fake bazongas, adam's apple, hands that could wrap around a basketball, spastic behavior...anyone remember Jim Carrey as "Vera De Milo" on 'In Living Color'? That is what this person looked like. Gotta love the hairdo. Maybe it isn't nice to take the pic much less post it, but I figure if he/she is going out in public like this, then they're fair game

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Imposing religious beliefs? Seriously? Wow. People "non-beliefs' are imposed on Christians every day, and we're supposed to accept it... but let someone stand up and say a man in the ladies room is wrong, and thats imposing beliefs.

Again, death of common sense. The right of privacy of the ladies, outweighs his right to pretend he's a she.

Dale
 
greg334

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Dale,
As you noticed, it has zero to do with Christianity, many religions are the same way so there isn't an issue with the religion itself.

The problem is that she could have come up with an alternative solution to the issue, calling in someone higher, like a supervisor or manager but by not following the store's policy and insisting on violating some of the rights of others, she put herself into a position that she ended up failing herself.

This is the same issue that Miejers has had with Somali Muslim cashiers who refuse to process orders because of a possibility of having to handle pork products, they are not serving the customer nor the store and in many cases have been fired.

Many make this out as a religious thing, which it is not.
 
cheri1122

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Imposing religious beliefs?

Yes, Dale. She said the store policy violated her religious beliefs. I say she has no right to make such a claim, and even less right to determine whether the customer was in fact a man.

 Seriously? Wow. People "non-beliefs' are imposed on Christians every day, and we're supposed to accept it...

Like what?
I am imposed on whenever I decide to make a pitcher of margaritas on a Sunday [ok, it only happened once :D] and go to the store but can't buy alcohol because it's Sunday. Makes perfect sense to me - not. Because those who have a real serious need to have alcohol handy bought theirs on Sat - they never forget. :rolleyes:

but let someone stand up and say a man in the ladies room is wrong, and thats imposing beliefs.

Let a clerk embarrass a customer while violating her employer's policies because of her religious beliefs, [she said so!] and yes, it's wrong.

Again, death of common sense. The right of privacy of the ladies, outweighs his right to pretend he's a she.

How do you know he was 'pretending'?
You might be surprised to find that not every infant is easily classified as male or female. But the American prudishness regarding anything bordering on sex makes it a taboo subject. People can pretend that everyone is a male or female, but it aint so easily dealt with now, when people who have done nothing wrong [except be born different from most] just want to be considered people - not freaks, pervs, degenerates, or whatever label is used to describe them by others who just don't like what looks abnormal to them.
This too, shall pass - it's what I think when I remember that in the sixties, the same labels were applied to guys with long hair.
Some of whom turned out to be pretty respectable people - even if they never cut their hair.
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Then they should have a unisex dressing room, as some stores have unisex bathrooms.. so there is an option. If Im in a mens room, I have a right to expect only men. If my wife, daughter, or granddaughters are in a ladies room, they have a right to expect only women.

Comparing somebody pretending to be a woman, to a long haired guy is quite a stretch. Im not pretending to be something else. People get confused about gender identity... I get that...still, just because a man feels like a woman, doesnt make him a woman. It makes him a man denying what he is. Thats his right. But its her right not to be forced to accept its right for him to be in a ladies room..


The guy in question admitted he was a guy. Therrfore, there was no doubt, and he should have to use the mens room.


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LisaLouHoo

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I think if an employer's policies are going to interfere with one's religious beliefs, then the employee needs to either accept them and do the job per the company or reject the job. I know in this economy people are desperate for jobs, but they can't take on a job then refuse the company policies based on their personal religious beliefs. If their religion is such a predominant force in their lives, then they owe themselves and the public they will be serving an occupation which will accommodate their beliefs.

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clcooper

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why is there a mens room and a ladies room then . so a male homosexal . is to go to the mens room . but not the ladies room . so a male that only likes males watching a male is ok . a man with a earing does that make him a cross dresser ?? so a horny male teenager only needs to put on a bra to get in the ladies locker rooms .

if his or hers offical ID says what they are that is what they are . and that is the room they go to .
 
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clcooper said:
why is there a mens room and a ladies room then . so a male homosexal . is to go to the mens room . but not the ladies room . so a male that only likes males watching a male is ok . a man with a earing does that make him a cross dresser ?? so a horny male teenager only needs to put on a bra to get in the ladies locker rooms .

if his or hers offical ID says what they are that is what they are . and that is the room they go to .
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No...it's what his or her DNA says that makes him or her what they are.

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LisaLouHoo

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All the surgery, make up, implants, hair dye, hormone therapy, and clothing in the world will not alter the genetic code. For example, Chazz Bono still has two'X' chromosomes, and SHE always will, no matter what "additions" have been made.

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