The creation of a monster?

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Encouraging customers to track the freight: a valuable service, or a monster?
I believe that the concept of the customer tracking the freight, from shipper to consignee, was dreamed up by some genius (and aren't they all?) in Marketing, then aggressively promoted, as a way to provide better "service", rather than in response to real customer demand. I believe it's a bad idea. A very bad idea, in fact. I think they may have even created a monster, with this idea.
Consider: the whole concept rests on the desire of the customer to be assured that his freight will arrive on time, as promised. But we were already satisfying that desire, no? Why plant the suggestion that a carrier's track record, reputation, (and, in some cases, a guarantee) is not to be trusted? Why even hint that a commitment is insufficient assurance that the job will be done as promised? (Try calling payroll every 4 hrs, to check on the status of your money, see what the carrier thinks about that;))
In this process of fixing something that wasn't broke, we now have a number of people who are diverted from their actual work, to "check the status/location of the truck" The customer, the carrier. broker, and the driver, must all take the time to comply with this imperative - time that, IMO, could be better spent doing their actual job, instead. (Short of human organs enroute to a transplant facility, there's not much freight that truly requires treating it (and the drivers) like a newborn baby, with monitors & checkups every 4 hrs, at least with general freight.
In the case of the drivers, especially, the interruption of a location update is at best, a distraction ( of which we could do with less, rather than more ), and at worst, a safety risk. We are supposed to pull over, before answering the phone, or reading the QC, but how often do we find that to be a time consuming inconvenience, and reply while driving? Most of the time, for me personally. I'd really rather not, but finding a safe place to stop, in a truck, can waste a fair amount of time and fuel, out here in the real world. I know of one driver who, responding to a telephoned request from dispatch for information on the BOL, who reached for the paperwork, ran off the side of the road a bit, (forgetting that the hand always follows the eye), overcompensated on the return to the road, and rolled the truck. ( The driver wasn't seriously hurt, but the truck was, and the driver was terminated from the carrier before even being discharged from a few hours stay in the hospital!)
In a time sensitive environment, the fewer "timeouts" from shipper to consignee, the sooner we can safely deliver, so why add unnecessary interruptions?
If I were in charge, I'd base my marketing efforts on the promise that once the load is booked, the customer can then "Fuhgeddaboutit" (to borrow a great phrase), and devote his time to his actual work, rather than tracking his shipment. The dispatchers could focus on booking loads, etc, the driver could focus on their job, and we'd all be more efficient. (In theory).
This rant was brought to you courtesy of the carrier for whom I ran a load yesterday, and from whom I got calls every 4 hours, asking for my location, and advising me of their 'projected delivery time'. The latter was truly annoying: when they informed me that their computer showed delivery being an hour late, I wanted to reply that MY computer, using my intended route, actual location and speed, projected a delivery time of an hour ahead of schedule, so BACK OFF! :mad: Of course, I merely replied that I expected to deliver on time, if not early, and of course, I did just that.
Why would anyone suggest, to drivers or customers, that we might do it any other way?!
 
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ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Towards the end of my tenure I made sure to make my response over the QC. I stated that I had stopped driving to respond to the inquiry about my progress and that dispatch could expect me to stop and respond each time they asked whether I was rolling or "encountering any problems". I was thinking of a polite canned message the last couple months, but never got around to it.

I agree Cheri. Didn't Dominoes Pizza run into a similar problem with their 30 minute guaranteed delivery time? I think the company can make whatever promises they want to the customer, but then they need to shield the driver from any distractions other than driving. The QC tells them everything they need to know about the drivers progress without having to interrupt them. But hey, I'm just a peon.

eb
 

barney

Expert Expediter
Cheri,
I used to call it "Driver Harassment". 99.9% of the time it is uncalled for and a pain in the B___. I would just type back on the QC " OK " and left it at that. Most of the time the dispatcher would not even check for responses. It was all computer generated and if no responce then would allert the teeny bopper, oops I meant dispatcher.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I expect the carriers to promise ontime delivery, and that's fine, (long as we don't get in trouble by taking stupid risks to achieve it, as the Domino's people learned). If it can be done, we will do it. But encouraging the frequent tracking of the freight is IMO, an unnecessary waste of many folks' time, a sorry impression to create, (that we need to be monitored, and/or that the commitment isn't enough to inspire reliance on our performance) and an all around bad idea.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
The next time you are in a Truck Stop look around and you will see why they check up on drivers.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Simple solution... Worry Free Guarantee. If you let us do our job, and not call for an update, we'll get it there on time. If we're late, and you didn't call, it's free. If we're late, and you called, you get a portion off.
 

jujubeans

OVM Project Manager
Ah times they are a callin
for a sitter for us all
But till I wear a diaper
I'd ignore all of their calls
 

ihamner

Expert Expediter
Cheri, I agree! Grrrr! I think EB has THE answer. Every single time they call or beep us we need to state something like, "I have to pull off the road every time you call or beep me and it is delaying the load. Perhaps you could back off and let me do my job." What do you think? Naw! Then they will put a lock on the truck for the angry response. Sigh! No win on this one.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Rarely, do I ever get a request regarding my progress.


I do know that the computer system is programmed to automatically send a QC message if a unit has not covered "X" number miles within a given number minutes starting from the time the load was accepted.


Additionally, on those rare ocassions, when I forget to send a message to dispatch regarding weather or traffic delays, the computer system will also send a QC message asking, "Are You Heading To The Delivery?" It seems like a reasonable request, considering my failure to inform them of delays that are not able to be seen by someone sitting in a building 500+ miles away from where my truck is traveling.


Before I signed my Lease Agreement with the carrier, I was made aware of their policies and procedures. The fact that I may be contacted "in route" was clearly stated. Moreover, it also states that it is my responsibility to update the carrier of any conditions that impact the normal rate of speed during the delivery process. I agreed to those policies by signing the Lease Agreeement.



As so stated by jaminjim, there are obvious unsavory elements within the industry and many folks are prone to dishonesty when they are not being directly supervised. A case in point: I recently had a lady contact me regarding a driver she had hired that was stealing fuel from her van and reselling it to other drivers. Before this thief, she had another driver that would deliver a load and then disappear for a few days; the carrier couldn't locate the unit via the QC either.


Is it any wonder why a carrier would have their computer system programmed to track the movements of the trucks that accepted freight? Just like me, they have a business to run. If I don't agree with their policies and procedures, I can exercise my freedom as a citizen of this great nation and simply ... move on.
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
when i was with roberts express i also had the highway master in my truck and that was like q com
at time it had the best cell phone plan
and also could track truck, it made my wife feel good knowing where i was at
sometimes roberts express would call her and ask do you know where geo is at we don't know where he's at and she would tell them he is just out side of here
and it would drive her bananas., she would ask don't you know where the truck is
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Rarely, do I ever get a request regarding my progress.


I do know that the computer system is programmed to automatically send a QC message if a unit has not covered "X" number miles within a given number minutes starting from the time the load was accepted.


Additionally, on those rare ocassions, when I forget to send a message to dispatch regarding weather or traffic delays, the computer system will also send a QC message asking, "Are You Heading To The Delivery?" It seems like a reasonable request, considering my failure to inform them of delays that are not able to be seen by someone sitting in a building 500+ miles away from where my truck is traveling.


Before I signed my Lease Agreement with the carrier, I was made aware of their policies and procedures. The fact that I may be contacted "in route" was clearly stated. Moreover, it also states that it is my responsibility to update the carrier of any conditions that impact the normal rate of speed during the delivery process. I agreed to those policies by signing the Lease Agreeement.



As so stated by jaminjim, there are obvious unsavory elements within the industry and many folks are prone to dishonesty when they are not being directly supervised. A case in point: I recently had a lady contact me regarding a driver she had hired that was stealing fuel from her van and reselling it to other drivers. Before this thief, she had another driver that would deliver a load and then disappear for a few days; the carrier couldn't locate the unit via the QC either.


Is it any wonder why a carrier would have their computer system programmed to track the movements of the trucks that accepted freight? Just like me, they have a business to run. If I don't agree with their policies and procedures, I can exercise my freedom as a citizen of this great nation and simply ... move on.

Is that your answer: just shut up? :confused: I don't see any debate on the subject at hand, which is whether the practice of customers tracking the freight was a good idea, or a practice (like labeling the 'Elite' trucks as such) that needs rethought.
How on Earth can the QC help eliminate the "unsavory characters" in the business? Those are the very folks who figure out how to disable it, I'm sure! And what does a driver stealing fuel have to do with the subject? Dishonest people exist in this business, same as in any business. They should be weeded out, absolutely, but the presence of a satellite tracking unit isn't going to hinder most of them. It does, however, hinder a lot of other folks, who have better things to do with their time.
For the record: there is no QC on my truck, and amazingly, I arrive when and where I'm expected, every time. To quote Moot: "Because I'm a professional, and that's my job!"

 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I feel that this is a monster.

The problem is not really with the driver or the dispatcher but with the customer.

I mean that if the carrier says "yep we can get it there in ten hours" even though it is a 750 mile trip, the customer 'expects' this as a promise and we get pushed without the knowledge of what we do in the head of the people who are making the promises or the dispatchers who are told to keep on top of things.

The customer's expectation of services and quality of services is sometimes frightful, they are paying relatively cheap prices to move things and the impact of being 2 or 3 or even 10 hours late will not effect them in the least.

I had one such shipment the other day, had to get it there right away. OK it will be there in the afternoon because it is a 700 mile trip - blame the feds not me. Well I rush there, get there right on time and come to find out the people who set this up didn't talk to the delivery place who put this work on the back burner for a week and the guy who would have done the work was leaving to go to England for a few days.

Like FedEx and my issue with the CC who said safety is not a concern, she was clueless that she had no power over me but she thought she did. She didn't even have the intelligence to listen to what happened to hear why the times were adjusted, all she saw was the original times that were promised by the intake people and the time I picked up and delivered - the world on time?

Like Cheri said, we are not dealing with Human Organs which are critical shipments, we are dealing with things that don't have a life impact to things. Yes we do a lot of JIT stuff, still do that is but there have been a lot of changes in the last 4 years that have made our work more like LTL work, with exclusive use of a vehicle than that of the old JIT stuff.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If the carrier promises a 750 mile run in 10 hrs, they better have a helicopter handy, cause it can't be done (safely, anyway) in a truck or van.
I don't allow myself to be pushed into unsafe territory, or rushed into risky driving - nothing is that urgent, IMO. If it can't be done in a reasonable amount of time, I won't even try.
But if it can be done in a reasonable amount of time, I will get it done - and being called every 4 hrs to "update my location" only hinders me from doing it as quickly, and safely, as I can.
It's the implication that satellite tracking is necessary, (particularly for the customer to check the location) to ensure ontime performance that I disagree with.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
Cheri,
One of the many things I enjoyed about driving for Larry Fowler Trucking out of Magnolia,AR was our QCs were set up were we couldn't use them while rolling. Also I didn't get bothered that much by dispatch. Regardless of how "hot" the load was. They would look at the QC and it would tell them where I was.
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
With Panther, customers can track the shipment from the website if that's what they wish to do.
Dispatch calling or sending messages just slows down the process. Why can't dispatch look at the drivers stats? If the driver has never been late on a load, then it's a pretty good guess that they aren't going to be late for that one.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
What carrier calls drivers every four hours for location updates? That's a new one on me.

Regarding encouraging customers to track their freight, I think it is a great idea. Customers tracking trucks is not new, at least not at our carrier. From our early days in the business, Diane and I have told almost every shipper we served about the ability to track the load online. We highlight the run number and web site address to make it easy for them to do.

Some customers could care less. Some already knew and may or may not track the truck. Some are delighted to learn of their new-found ability. They might try it for the fun of it or use it for very serious reasons.

I think it is a great idea because at least some customers like and use the service. The tracking takes place with virtually no effort on our part. Being fully dedicated to the loads we are on, whether we are tracked or not, our performance is the same. It means nothing to us to be tracked but may mean a great deal to the customer; so, why not?

Providing customers with the ability to track their freight may well have some marketing reasons behind it. That's fine too. If we wanted to sell our services directly to the shippers we serve, we'd get our own authority and hit the bricks. But we don't want to directly sell our services. We prefer to let our carrier handle that. If truck tracking provides a marketing edge, that's good. It means our carrier's sales people and agents will have an easier time of it.

I could tell lots of stories about customers using the service. In general, it has provided the customer with additional peace of mind about the important freight that is on our truck. Or, where workers are waiting for the freight on the other end, it helps project managers know when to get crews on the ground and things moving at the delivery end.

In my mind, that is what expediting is all about ... providing value-added services to the customer at rates above carriers that do not provide value-added services, like the ability to track the truck.
 
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
Phil,
I'm not trying to down you or what you said, but don't you think if it is a value added service shouldn't you recieve more compensation for it? I mean if you are constantly having to pick up the phone or pull off the road to reply to the qc shouldn't you recieve some extra pay like you would for an extra drop or pick? Makes sense to me. I'm sure the carrier does. USPS charges you for tracking.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We do receive additional compensation for value added services. Expedited freight is generally more expensive to ship than general freight.

The notion that a driver is having to answer a location inquiry every four hours strikes me as strange. Maybe it happened in the past, but in today's high-tech environment? Every load we have done could be shipper-tracked, but only rarely have we received a call or Qualcomm beep from dispatch asking for our location. They already know.

Rereading the thread, I see Cheri122 does not have Qualcomm in her truck. If you contract with a carrier that offers truck tracking to its customers and then provide no easy way for the carrier to track you (Qualcomm), you are setting yourself up for the phone calls.

Please note I am talking about location inquiries only. We receive nuciance calls and beeps, but they are not related to customers tracking the truck.
 
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I ran for an expedite carrier once that would call every 90 minutes at times. Just depended on the situation.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
That goes partly to the question I asked above. You said you ran for a carrier "once" that called often. What about now? What carriers today call drivers frequently to get a location report?
 
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