The "Climate of Hate".....

[dieseldiva]

From progressives *shock*. We've all seen these, it's just a good reminder to see them all in ONE PLACE......

 

[Turtle]

I do love a good irony. The Climate of Hate is on both sides. Just because someone is on one side or the other doesn't diminish that side's role in the hatred. It's seething and ubiquitous on both sides, everywhere. Malkin's post is the literal flip-side of the hate she's whining about. And by whining about it, she's perpetuating it herself. She doesn't have the integrity to list the same progressive climate of hate that comes from the other side, and that makes her hypocritical (or worse, astoundingly stupid if she thinks it doesn't exist on the other side).

The conservative right doesn't have special privilege to say, "I'm right because I said so, and you're wrong because you don't agree with me," any more than the liberal left has the special privilege to say the same, yet both sides say the very same crap every day. Nobody can talk about issues anymore, the issues and how to resolve them are buried in the hate.

We'd rather stick our tongues out at each and and vigorously exercise our free speech rights, even if it means setting critical thinking and intelligence aside, and showcasing our stupidity to prove we can say whatever we want. That's just awesome.

 

[dieseldiva]

The article was written 2 days after the Tucson shootings....the point was being made that the left was going nuts at that time trying desperately to blame the right for hate speech that was so bad that it made this shooter do what he did.

Yes, there's hate on both sides but let's keep it in context and when you do that, Malkin is correct, the shoe fits. The left acts as though there's no hate on their side at all and it gets old.

 

[Turtle]

Yes, the left acts as though there's no hate on their side at all and it gets old. So does the right, and it gets just as old. Malkin's story was posted two days after the shooting, when the hate-fill rhetoric was still in full swing as Standard Operating Procedure on both sides. Posting it here, now, could easily be considered as perpetuating, quite frankly, since it's stale and a lot of discussion about the hate has taken place since Malkin posted it on her site. Malkin's context is only half the full context. The shoe fits, absolutely, but she refuses to try on the same shoe, 'cause she knows it'll fit her, too. There is no more clear evidence of that than Palin's crosshairs being scrubbed from her Website within an hour of the shooting, rather than waiting two days. That's admitted culpability. The left has scrubbed a few things, too, equally admitting culpability.

So whether the rhetoric had anything directly to do with the shooting is irrelevant, since it brought the issue of the vitriol rhetoric to the forefront. When one side or the other espouses the same old hate, the right thing to do is rise above it, deal with the underlying issue, rather than to respond in kind with more hate. But so far, with few exceptions, neither side wants to stand up and show civility, professionalism and integrity and say enough is enough. The president of Fox News told his people to "knock it off" and stick to the issues, and for the most part they have. So far. The folks at MSNBC have been told the same, and for the most part they have, too. So far. But bad habits are hard to break, and it's gonna take time. It would certainly help if We The People took the lead on this. That's what I think, anyway.

 

[dieseldiva]

Yes, the left acts as though there's no hate on their side at all and it gets old. So does the right, and it gets just as old. Malkin's story was posted two days after the shooting, when the hate-fill rhetoric was still in full swing as Standard Operating Procedure on both sides. Posting it here, now, could easily be considered as perpetuating, quite frankly, since it's stale and a lot of discussion about the hate has taken place since Malkin posted it on her site. Malkin's context is only half the full context. The shoe fits, absolutely, but she refuses to try on the same shoe, 'cause she knows it'll fit her, too. There is no more clear evidence of that than Palin's crosshairs being scrubbed from her Website within an hour of the shooting, rather than waiting two days. That's admitted culpability. The left has scrubbed a few things, too, equally admitting culpability.

So whether the rhetoric had anything directly to do with the shooting is irrelevant, since it brought the issue of the vitriol rhetoric to the forefront. When one side or the other espouses the same old hate, the right thing to do is rise above it, deal with the underlying issue, rather than to respond in kind with more hate. But so far, with few exceptions, neither side wants to stand up and show civility, professionalism and integrity and say enough is enough. The president of Fox News told his people to "knock it off" and stick to the issues, and for the most part they have. So far. The folks at MSNBC have been told the same, and for the most part they have, too. So far. But bad habits are hard to break, and it's gonna take time. It would certainly help if We The People took the lead on this. That's what I think, anyway.

I'm perpetuating???

You have THESE THINGS going on and yet I'm perpetuating??

AND THE OTHER SIDE

 

[muttly]

An excellent post Diesel. Thanks for perpetuating information about what the progressives have done. Very informative. Michelle Malkin is an intelligent and articulate commentator.

 

[Turtle]

I'm perpetuating???

I don't know. I didn't say you were, I said it could easily be construed as such, and then plainly stated why. If you get overly defensive about it, then it gets easier to construe it that way. I'm talking about real, actual issues, and out of all of that you yanked out one partial sentence want to make it about you. It's not about you, trust me. It's about both sides being just butt stoopid and stubborn about things, about doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results, and about those who can't seem to let it go and try something different. Old habits die hard.

You have THESE THINGS going on and yet I'm perpetuating??

AND THE OTHER SIDE

Again, I never said you were. Posting these links doesn't help you case, though. Posting these links makes it appear that you are trying to justify perpetuating it simply because the other side is perpetuating it. If that's not the case, then you may want to try something other than the same ol' us versus them rhetoric. Both sides are still perpetuating it, and it's still getting old. Like I said, someone has to stand up and get beyond the us versus them crap and deal with the issues, instead of making the only issue to be "Well, they're doing it, toooooo!" which is exactly what both sides continue to do.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

There is nothing wrong with hate. I hate the principles of progressiveness. It's when the weak willed and mentally bereft feel hate, that we are in trouble. Unfortunately, our society is no longer equipped to protect us from them. There are more ways these people can get their rocks off, and it only feeds their anger.

 

[dieseldiva]

I don't know. I didn't say you were, I said it could easily be construed as such, and then plainly stated why. If you get overly defensive about it, then it gets easier to construe it that way. I'm talking about real, actual issues, and out of all of that you yanked out one partial sentence want to make it about you. It's not about you, trust me. It's about both sides being just butt stoopid and stubborn about things, about doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results, and about those who can't seem to let it go and try something different. Old habits die hard.

Again, I never said you were. Posting these links doesn't help you case, though. Posting these links makes it appear that you are trying to justify perpetuating it simply because the other side is perpetuating it. If that's not the case, then you may want to try something other than the same ol' us versus them rhetoric. Both sides are still perpetuating it, and it's still getting old. Like I said, someone has to stand up and get beyond the us versus them crap and deal with the issues, instead of making the only issue to be "Well, they're doing it, toooooo!" which is exactly what both sides continue to do.

My intention is not to make it about me, you can trust that but none of us like to be "preached at" from our fellow citizens to our current WH resident. He, of all people, has no right to suggest to the rest of us that WE need to tone it down when he is responsible for so much of the division that we're currently struggling with. IMHO, what he and so many on the left want is for them to carry on, business as usual, while we stay quiet. THEN they would have succeeded in shutting us up....that's really what it's all about, in the end, shutting us down.

With that being said, as long as the left continues to do what they do best, I'll continue to post about it.

Now, back to the original post. The point is that these people that were so quick (the sheriff within a couple of hours) to point the blame at all of the hate coming from the conservatives, the examples Malkin posted in her article are reminders of just how it is/was from the left. If anyone here wants to post examples from the right THAT ARE COMPARABLE to those in her article, I will look at those as well.

As far as your post not being directed at me, who were you talking to?? Who's post might be "easily considered as perpetuating"......I looked around and didn't see any others.

 

[Pilgrim]

There's a couple different schools of thought about political attacks: I like to think of them as the Clinton & Bush approaches. Right after Slick Willie got elected it was pretty obvious from the comments of his staff that their philosophy was to respond aggressively whenever the slick one got caught getting his knob polished in the Oval Office or taking funny money from the Chinese; discrediting their accusers was a common tactic, and of course the media was completely on board with that. I believe it was during this time that it became commonplace for the left wingers to label as "hate speech" any type of disagreement with their policies or agendas. Who can forget Slick's response to Bob Dole's point made regarding the Clinton ethical scandals "almost on a daily basis" in their Oct. 1996 debate: "No attack ever created a job or educated a child or helped a family make ends meet. No insult ever cleaned up a toxic waste dump."
Dole was so flabbergasted at such a nonsensical statement and so weak as a debating candidate that he wasn't able to muster even a timid response to Clinton's deflection of the subject matter. It would have been interesting to see Clinton try that gambit on Newt Gingrich. It was pretty commonplace during Clinton's eight years to see his minions practice the politics of personal destruction while simultaneously claiming the other side must stop it.

On the other hand, Bush pretty much ignored the personal attacks he encountered for his eight years in office and paid a price for trying to appear presidential and above that sort of thing. Several members of his staff have since said that it was a mistake to let the Democrat opposition label and define him without any type of response. For that reason, it seems the Republicans will now fire back on an equal basis - Sarah Palin's "blood libel" response was a good example. The bottom line is that any type of cease fire from the vitriol must be mutual, and it's highly unlikely we'll see that happen any time soon.