The American Education System

Turtle

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Here it is. From an elementary school math test.

The math problem in the picture below deals with Reasonableness. In mathematics, reasonableness a rough and easily mentally-calculated estimate, often referred to as a "ballpark estimate." It can help to predict the numerical range the final answer should fall within. For example, if the given problem is to determine the sum of 23 plus 76, it can be estimated that the final and precise answer will be somewhere close to 100 because the known calculation of 25 plus 75 equals 100 and is close to the given problem 23 plus 76. Elementary students are often taught to check the reasonableness of their final answers by comparing them to a ballpark estimate. If the ballpark estimate is 100, and they do the math and calculate the answer to be 783, they can easily see their calculation is unreasonable, as two numbers less-than 100 cannot be added together to equal a number greater than 200, much less greater than 700.

Expediters deal with mathematical reasonableness every day, be it a ballpark estimate of the actual travel time for a 500 mile load to the amount of fuel required for a given run. We come up with some reasonable estimates without having to use precise calculations.

Kids gets a introduction to fractions and the terminologies in the first and second grade, and by the third grade they move on to comparing fractions (less than, greater than) and then late in the third grade and into the fourth grade they get into adding and subtracting fractions with the same and then different denominators. The problem below is almost certainly from the third grade.

As with all math problems, the premise is stated giving you the parameters with which to calculate or estimate the solution.

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The facts:
1) Marty are 4/6 of his pizza.
2) Luis are 5/6 of his pizza.
3) Marty ate more pizza than Luis.


The solution to estimate with mathematical reasonableness:
How is that possible?

It's difficult to make out the written answer, but this third grader took the facts as presented and reasoned the correct answer, which the teacher marked WRONG.

"Marty's pizza is bigger than Luis's pizza."

We know for a fact that Marty ate 4/6 of his pizza. And we know for a fact that Luis ate 5/6 of his pizza. And we know for a fact that Marty ate more pizza than Luis. The ONLY way that is possible is for 4/6 of one pizza to be more pizza than 5/6 of another pizza. Marty's pizza was bigger to begin with than was Luis' pizza. Even the third grader could deduce that.

If the premise had stated the two pizzas were the same size and then asked the question "Who ate more pizza?" then mathematical reasonableness determines that whoever ate the 5/6 ate more. Duh.

Instead of the teacher being able to recognize the astonishingly poor English wording of the question to begin with and giving the kid credit for (A) being smart enough to figure out the correct correct answer, and (B) for thinking outside the box, she remained inside her own little "5/6 is greater than 4/6" box.

I weep for the future of America, because we have morons teaching our children.

(Incidentally, mathematical reasonableness not a concept that was invented by Obama or the Common Core. Sorry.)
 

Ragman

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I'm hungry......

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LDB

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I'd like to know who the teacher is and ask him/her how they came up with that response to the student. And then I'd like to tell them to please add cheese to my burger.
 
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JohnWC

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I think some of this new math is just some egg heads way of justifying their job
 

davekc

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I would just be happy if they can make change, read a menu, and just possibly fill out a checkbook. However, I might be expecting way too much. :rolleyes:
 

Turtle

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Checkbook? Is that a dating app or something?

I like to mess with them. I buy something and it's $5.23. I hand them a $10 and as they are punching in the $10 which tells them they need to give me back $4.77, I hand them a quarter. All they need to do it hand me back a $5 an two pennies. (instead of four ones and all that change).

I've actually had them take the quarter, pause, then hand me $4.77 AND the quarter. :D

Believe it or not, the new Common Core math teaches subtraction the same way you count back change. It's over simplified at first, and looks more complicated that it seems, but it teaches kids to think in terms of counting back (or counting up) instead of trying to do the subtraction in their head.

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davekc

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Checkbook? Is that a dating app or something?

I like to mess with them. I buy something and it's $5.23. I hand them a $10 and as they are punching in the $10 which tells them they need to give me back $4.77, I hand them a quarter. All they need to do it hand me back a $5 an two pennies. (instead of four ones and all that change).

I've actually had them take the quarter, pause, then hand me $4.77 AND the quarter. :D

Believe it or not, the new Common Core math teaches subtraction the same way you count back change. It's over simplified at first, and looks more complicated that it seems, but it teaches kids to think in terms of counting back (or counting up) instead of trying to do the subtraction in their head.

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Your mean...torturing those poor little kids. Giving them a quarter in addition to the expected change is going to send them to therapy. :D
 
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Turtle

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Sometimes I really do do it because I want a Five or a Ten back, or not a bunch of change. But often, most of the time, I do it just to mess with them. :D

Back when I managed restaurants, particularly at McDonalds, one of the first things we did in training was sit in the break room with a new hire and practice making change using just a cash drawer. I threw every odd thing I could at them. It not only taught them how to handle an extra quarter or a few pennies, but it virtually eliminated being taken by a quick-change artist.
 
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davekc

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Sometimes I really do do it because I want a Five or a Ten back, or not a bunch of change. But often, most of the time, I do it just to mess with them. :D

Back when I managed restaurants, particularly at McDonalds, one of the first things we did in training was sit in the break room with a new hire and practice making change using just a cash drawer. I threw every odd thing I could at them. It not only taught them how to handle an extra quarter or a few pennies, but it virtually eliminated being taken by a quick-change artist.

That is exactly what they need to be doing in schools. Real world skills and not a bunch of silliness. It is sad when you go in a fast food place and someone using a lot of slang ask you to read the menu. And no, this isn't a blind person we are talking about. There is a better way, just has to be taught and stop worrying about "feelings" all the time.
 
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