Thanks A Team, sure hope you were right!

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
The A Team’s Phil Madsen recently mentioned in some of his posts that there are flat rate trucks in the FedEx Custom Critical fleet. We became interested in knowing if there was a flat rate program for straight trucks and if so to learn more about it. It turned out there is and I posted about it in the FedEx forum.

We talked with our recruiter, contractor relations and a flat rate fleet coordinator to learn as much about this program as possible. We then did an analysis projecting income potential from this program and comparing it to our current income. We determined that the rate per mile we would receive was just a little lower than our current average, but the increased miles potential out weighed the minor loss in revenue.

But we still weren’t sure if this would be a good program for us.

We then read some more post by Phil. Phil discussed how the flat rate trucks were taking the good/great loads, long coast to coast runs and suspected preferential treatment.

Here are a couple of great quotes from Phil on the ramifications of having flat rate trucks in the fleet.

“If it is slow all over, it will be even slower for the FDCC percentage-paid trucks that are now being passed over by a preferential dispatch system that is designed to load flat-rate trucks first. If it is slow and the FDCC run count declines, the flat-rate trucks will see no difference. It will be the percentage-paid trucks that take the hit so the flat-rate trucks can keep running.”

Not good for us as we are a percentage paid truck.

“Dry box trucks will get hurt too as reefer contractors decide to play in the dry box arena. As high paying reefer loads decline in frequency, and the need to pay the bills asserts itself, it won't take much for a number of reefer contractors to go after the freight they were previously willing to let the dry box contractors have.”

Even worse for us as we are a dry van that will have even more competition.

We believe that Phil is a very knowledgeable and experienced. He has brought up some very good points and we factored his thoughts into our decision and we just want to say, “Phil, I sure hope you were right”, because as of today we are now a flat rate straight truck in the FedEx CC fleet.

We will report back and let everyone know how this program is working for us.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
The whole idea is to get rid of entitlement pay and get their contractors to run cheaper as posted a year ago. Seems to be working.
Still have to wonder how a WG semi can make it on 1.25 per mile as posted?
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
Jim it will be interesting to hear how this program works for you guys and will appreciate hearing your updates.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Buck a mile and the FSC is what I heard. I am guessing that is accurate. Almost sounds like a van rate but I could be wrong.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Yeah, went back and looked at it.....I don't like it. :mad:

I can see where there will be a lot more temptation to load these trucks verses others. Might be good for my stock but I see where some manipulation could happen.
Certainly going to put some pressure on the competitors if they drop their rates. So far, that hasn't happened so the Fed is just keeping a larger portion. I am just basing that on their broker loads.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
It's a buck a mile plus FSC plus tolls. All miles. Deadhead to pickup, loaded and deadhead to planned layover.
My pay for 150 mile deadhead, 750 mile run and 100 miles to planned layover will be $1320 plus tolls.
Can someone compare that to say Panther or Express 1?
 

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
Buck a mile and the FSC is what I heard. I am guessing that is accurate. Almost sounds like a van rate but I could be wrong.

So basically they are going from being one of the best paying carriers in the industry to one of the worst? Tsk tsk.

I know that the last couple of times we called to help their brokerage, they wanted to haggle with me. They're getting worse than the Black Cat about that.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
So basically they are going from being one of the best paying carriers in the industry to one of the worst? Tsk tsk.

I know that the last couple of times we called to help their brokerage, they wanted to haggle with me. They're getting worse than the Black Cat about that.

I've notice that as well. As far as Panther pay, it depends on your contract. Thier rates are all over the place. Not even sure what they pay for new contractor trucks coming in?
Dry vans are 1.20 to 1.35 plus fsc and reefers are 1.55 to 1.75 plus fsc. Elite loads are .30 cent per mile extra and deadhead is all miles ranging from .50 to 1.00 per mile. I don't think they have anything now where you give up the first 100. They changed that last month.
E1 is showing 1.12 for regular customers and 1.20 for those that aren't. I am guessing that everyone is a regular customer?
No idea on their new reefer trucks. Hadn't seen one.
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I can say that when I get those small ST loads in my CargoMax that a sprinter can't take. I am gettin those kind of numbers without the expense or any of the "other" stuff of running a ST...and we get tolls paid on every load that requires them..thats not a big deal with Load 1 at all...
 

Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
I'll throw my two cents in here - FedEx and any carrier for that matter would prefer to pay $3, $4, $5+ a mile - all this is in response competition and the freight marketplace. I guess we need to keep that in mind in this discussion.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
We believe that Phil is a very knowledgeable and experienced. He has brought up some very good points and we factored his thoughts into our decision and we just want to say, “Phil, I sure hope you were right”, because as of today we are now a flat rate straight truck in the FedEx CC fleet.

We will report back and let everyone know how this program is working for us.

I'm looking forward to your reports and I am certain many contractors will appreciate hearing from you too.

While you were generous in your praise and hope that I am right, I trust that you also know the decision you made was yours alone. I hope it works out for you. Had you asked me if you should make the move, I would have said no.

You are talking about a flat rate contract with FedEx Custom Critical in which no specific number of miles are promised. That's a big loophole that favors the company, and leaves it with a very strong incentive to pack as many flat rate trucks into the fleet as they can. The more trucks they have scattered around the country, the less deadhead they will have to pay under the flat rate contract.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Based on Phil's post, I guess one would expect to see if a load was sent to five trucks and all could make the pickup, the cheapest would be awarded the load?
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'll throw my two cents in here - FedEx and any carrier for that matter would prefer to pay $3, $4, $5+ a mile - all this is in response competition and the freight marketplace. I guess we need to keep that in mind in this discussion.

I think most carriers would like to charge that for a load, if they would like to pay that to trucks is debatable.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I'll throw my two cents in here - FedEx and any carrier for that matter would prefer to pay $3, $4, $5+ a mile - all this is in response competition and the freight marketplace. I guess we need to keep that in mind in this discussion.

That is true and why I respond. All of this rate cutting affects everyone at some point. What is surprising is the origin in which a lot of it is coming from.
 
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